Yep, there is always someone there, waiting to take advantage of the desperate and the needy. This is a glaring feature of capitalism.
How do you instill morality and ethics, when the system rewards greed and graft?
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Yea reading my comment back I can see how that comes off as completely ignorant.
Sorry I should say I do not work in any industry that exploits immigrants. I work in heavy durable goods industries and proprietary products manufacturing. I refuse jobs or products exploiting people to the best of my ability.
I forget I live in a very privileged area, at least job wise. There is no lack of work where I am, and quality paying work. My frustration with my coworkers is their lack of belief that they have any power to say no to something they know is dangerous when there is a job most the times literally next door that won’t put them at these risks.
I’m tired of this brainwashing to live in fear of your employer, this allegiance to their captors who are exploiting them. I watch hourly employees who scrape by pity millionaires and their sob stories of a bad quarter where they only made $20 million in PROFITS, not their projected $22 million. These workers truly feel bad for these people, and it eats at my mind all the time. Yet you mention the word union and these people recoil in terror at this “socialistic” idea of people standing together against exploitation.
So sorry for my ignorance in my frustration.
My apologies, it appears both of us crossed our signals. I do agree that too many live in fear for their jobs. I never had that inhibition, I have been fired or quit more jobs than I can count. It just requires a small dose of self confidence.
Is it fair to state that established businesses want employees with a “certain established” mindset?
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Same.
I have too much pride and confidence to settle for being a lackey. I just can’t fall in line and let myself willingly be exploited. I’ve been offered and refused what I would call exceptional pay to take jobs in meat packing and other extremely exploitative businesses, along with risky jobs in industries such as pharmaceutical and chemical manufacturing. My well being is worth more than that next monetary tier of “middle class”.
Absolutely, I’m only tolerated because of my unique skill set and mental acuity for fixing machinery. Otherwise I would be run out as a traitorous communist if I wasn’t so uniquely positioned. Employers love and loath me for my niche talent that accompanies my moral fiber.
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Yes… but that expected mindset can be different in different places of employment, IME.
When I worked for an insecure shit stick of a manager in a car dealer’s parts department? If an employee stood up/ spoke up for themselves, even in a reasonable way with a well supported argument, that employee was automatically placed in the ‘problem child’ book.
Regarding the business I now own - if employees do what’s expected of them, I think they have every right to respectfully raise issues and speak their mind, even to the point of concerted activity. If an owner/ manager isn’t able to handle reasonable employee pushback and feedback in the fashion of a stable adult then its time to rethink whether they’re better as a follower or a leader, IMHO.
My $.02.
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Well said, business where I’m from is unfortunately filled with nepotism and cronyism. Most employers here are almost dynastic, spoiled children ruining mommy or daddy’s formerly respectable business.
Modest profits thrown aside for greed and immense gain. Appointing unqualified cronies and family to high ranking titles. Then spitting on tenured employees with decades of loyal service to run them out so they can replace them with younger naive people willing to take less money and worse benefits.
Or big business buying these companies to add them to a portfolio of vertical monopolies. Owning the mines for the raw materials all the way to the assembly lines making the finished products.
Manufacturing has and always will be fascists saying socialistic things like, what’s good for the company is good for all the employees. When in reality most employees benefit little to nothing from it, record profits and still they begrudgingly only hand out a yearly $0.25 raise while telling us you should just be happy to have a job.
Constantly being threatened with the idea of, we can easily move the company to Mexico or China if you talk back too much. Then in the next breath complaining how these countries are “unfair” competition, so we should hate them for standing in their way of becoming unjustifiably filthy rich.
The more I write this the more it all starts sounding exactly like theistic horse shit. (Groaning while I laugh) Sorry I don’t drink the kool-aid Mr. Corporate Suit.
If you truly respect your employees like you say, I certainly applaud you then. You are of a dying breed.
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Hmmm, sounds like a very lucrative opportunity…”Alone with no cone”
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Employment is a business agreement between employer and employee. My “personal handbook” specifies a prohibition on my part, to submit to any and all abuse, as to be determined by me, as well as an assumption of mutual respect. Any deviation from these guidelines will result in my termination of the business agreement. I understand that the purpose of my employment is to enrich my employer. My employer must likewise acknowledge the purpose for me is to enrich myself enough to facilitate my functionality economically. I do not begrudge my employers who have exploited me for profits as much as I fault myself for submitting to being exploited. Once I acquired skills which had marketable value, I was able to more effectively dictate the terms of my employment, and therefore avoid being exploited.
As a retired old guy I look back at some of the jobs I had and I can barely believe I put up with that shit. Sometimes we get so desperate that our thinking is clouded with fear and trepidation. And sometimes, sometimes , our situation(s) are so dire that an approach of “triage” is necessary and we end up in awful jobs, just to stay off of the street, or keep our families off of the street. I don’t think that anyone who has not been so desperate as to have taken a shitty job just to “survive” can relate to the exploitation to which I referred.
I agree that anyone who truly respects their employees deserves fealty and respect, to be evidenced by productivity and reliability.
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I enjoy profit but not to the extent of employees laboring for an owner who might say they value employees, then shits all over them when it comes to treatment and compensation on the other hand.
In exchange I do, at a fairly high standard, expect employees to do the right thing and perform their job to the best of their abilities.
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Yep. That’s the deal…
Hmmm… Well, if we are doing a movie venture, then how about “Coneless: The Day the Ice Cream Died”? Or maybe something like “The Melting of A Dream”? Oh! Here’s a good one! “Dreams That Melt in the Sun”. Wow! This movie could be a blockbuster hit!
“Dog Days Ice Cream For Tin”
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Two very reasonable points. (Been there - done that.)
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How about one of these?
The Wizard of Awwwwws?
Falling Down.
No Cone Left on Stone.
The Greatest Ice Cream Ever Sold.
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Exactly why I work in maintenance.
Unfortunately, “Falling Down” has already been taken. (Robert Duvall and Michael Douglas) Would prefer not to fight over copyright infringements. Damn good movie, though.
I do like “The Wizard of Awwwws”, though. Catches the attention. Although, we would have to determine specifically how many W’s to use. The other two titles… Eh…
A couple of other ideas…
“Life Cream”
“1971: An Ice Cream Odyssey”
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Oh! I know…
We’ll make it a space adventure called; “I Screammmm!” and a tag line… "In space no one hears the ice cream.’
Hey! We could do a whole movie of ice cream falling from different places.
The Abyss: A kid leaning over a railing on a boat drops his ice cream into the sea. Think of the adventure and all the things that happens to that blob of frozen milk as it sinks into the ‘ABYSS’
Apocolypse Now, the ice cream version; Jesus returns to earth and he hates ice cream. He destroys ice cream cones in fantastic ways and sends their owner to hell.
No Country for Ice Cream; A story of an ice cream vendor and his cart that smuggle their way into North Korea but the entire cart over turns when Kim Jong Un tries to dive inside to eat the rocky road.
Superkalafragilistic Expiallyice cream; A British nanny roams the city streets of London, getting young chldren addicted to ice cream and bad musicals.
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Hi i know you are mostly asking atheists but since this is open to all i wanted to give a sincere response. Christ is the answer and i mean that from personal experience. I am not trying to win an argument i just wholeheartedly know what He can do within us and what He has done for us. I was very depressed when i hit a certain age and had suicidal thoughts. My dad wasn’t there for us growing up because parents divorced and it affected me. There was a lot of feelings of rejection but also have a tendency to be an emotional person. Gone through anger jealousy rage rejection etc and in the middle of being rejected and feeling rejection i realized what Christ did for me. It was a personal moment when i knew he hung on a cross for me for 6 hrs and humbled himself and loved me like no one has ever loved me. That’s true for you and everyone. I am so sorry for all the pain you have been through and what you are currently suffering. I haven’t been where youve been but i am certain Christ can make a big difference in your life. Christ has made my life different. His love has truly changed how i see life. People see the difference in me because Christ gives us his life. Christ is the best thing in my life He makes me happy, helps me know how to love, how to help others, how to be like Him because He is the best example and best person in my life. When i want to feel rejected i know He loves me and that makes the difference i need. When i want to be rude or mean He helps me to not go that path. When i want to feel overwhelmed or afraid he reminds me i have life that will never end. He is the difference l desperately needed. Am i perfect? No. Do i keep asking for God’s forgiveness and help? every day but Without Christ i would be another person. He pushes me to learn and be like Him. No one is like Jesus so humble kind loving gentle compassionate.
Everybody please turn to page 69 in your hymnals… (polite nod toward organ player)…
“… Shall we gather by the riiiiiver?.. The beautiful beautiful riiiiiver…”
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“Christ is the Answer!” BINGO! That’s one game for me. Shall we start another?