Interesting Gallup Poll

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That’s an interesting poll. I’m surprised that the percentage of people who would not vote for an atheist is down to only 36%. Not too long ago it was much higher than that.

Let’s all keep our fingers crossed that the percentage of people who would not vote for a convicted felon is accurate!

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And cross fingers that, should the Orange One leave the political scene, the GOP hasn’t established a precedent of choosing bigoted, reactionary, felony convicted, sexual assaulting, riot inciting, disability mocking, racists as POTUS candidates.

It seems like I’ve left something out…

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You did. Crossed fingers that 93% would vote for a woman and that 92% would vote for a black person.

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Like @SodaAnt I’m surpised the atheism one is as high as it is, perhaps more surprised by the woman one … there’s hope for America yet.

Fingers crossed the Orange Cheato gets f#cked!

UK Atheist

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Well, that didn’t happen!

No, it didn’t, unfortunately. I wonder why this poll was so off the mark? Was it because the Cheeto was so good at spinning his conviction into a “witch hunt by a weaponized justice system”, or was it because the other side didn’t address the real concerns of the electorate, or perhaps it was a combination of misogyny and racism? Academics will be studying this election for a long time.

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I think Shitler won because his followers were voting for someone with the same hatreds and resentments and entitlements as they. It wasn’t so much a question of economics or character. Like a farmer I saw being interviewed today, objecting to losing USAID as a buyer for his crops – “I thought he was going to hurt other people, not me”. FAFO … unfortunately we’ll all pay for it. Maybe I’m starting to believe the principle of collective guilt just a little bit, lol.

The glee with which the brutal deportation of run of the mill mexican workers is met is disconcerting. It seems to have curtailed any discontent from Trump admitting it would be “very hard” to bring down grocery prices, even though it’s something he repeatedly promised to do “on day one”. It proves they hate people who don’t look like them even more than they hate not being able to afford groceries.

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I’ve asked the dozen or so people I know who voted for trump what damage they have personally experienced at the hands of someone who is not the country legally. None was able to name any. I would guess that 99.9% of the folks who voted for trump based on immigration would be unable to name any at all.

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It would be interesting to track how many of the jobs formerly held by deported Mexican workers are now taken by people here legally. I bet the number is insignificant–Americans don’t want the illegals here, and they don’t want their jobs either. Who do they think are going to do these jobs? Elves imported from the North Pole?

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More likely dispossessed Greenlanders.

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It’s Fairies. It has to be Fairies with magic wands. How else can all that work get done? I believe that’s how my boss thinks work is done. You don’t actually need time to do things, just wave your wand. I like my scrub top with Tinker Bell on it. I’m her cousin Tinker Hell :slightly_smiling_face:.

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That’s the reich wing in a nutshell. Driven by hatred of the “other”. Where “other” means “anyone who doesn’t look or behave the way I want”.

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I view fundamentalist religion as driven by a conformity fetish. All who do not conform or who are different are the enemy.

In part, this is driven by their belief in collective guilt. If god might punish a family, city, tribe, church or nation for “condoning” sin, god might punish them for failing to sufficiently oppose what has come to be termed “woke” or “DEI” – effectively punishing THEM for what they see as YOUR “sins”. Or for failing to seize this moment in which they can potentially impose their theocratic vision on everyone else.

Also in play: their need for moral “clarity” / simplicity. People are binary all good or all evil. This is why they will be confused when they already know you’re a good and kind and pleasant person to interact with, then discover that you’re an unbeliever. Unbelievers = cartoon villains. The cognitive dissonance they experience is amusing to watch, at least until they “turn” and decide you are the devil incarnate.

So yes they are controlling assholes, but they also live in terror of countless external enemies. They live trapped in a funhouse hall of mirrors of their own making.

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They must have a special exception to this that lets them support Trump, who embodies sin more than any other politician this country has ever seen.

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They have an exception for everything.

In this case, they have declared him to be a “modern day King Cyrus”.

Cyrus was the heathen ruler that God supposedly used to return the Israeli diaspora back home after the Babylonian exile.

God, in his sovereignty, can use even a godless man to his own ends.

This facile circumlocution lets them excuse all his many moral failings in the service of God’s “higher purposes”.

Or as my 15 year older fundamentalist brother says, Trump is “too brash” but it’s okay because SCOTUS justices, etc. I am afraid to ask him what his “thinking” is now. He’s in his 80’s, just has a triple bypass, and I’ve long since given him up as a lost cause. But I haven’t been able to speak to him since the election, either, and he probably knows why.

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Conformity fetish and collective guilt … two angles I hadn’t considered before, and which make eminent sense. I’ll preserve that post of yours for posterity on my hard drive for future reference! :slight_smile:

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