The green shoots of a proof burden switching sprouting up here, eh @MrDawn ?
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I see where she’s going with this. It’s headed right into a “God of The Gaps”. I once had someone ask me in a thread on another forum to prove George Washington existed. I read what they said and I just said to my monitor “Fucking really?”
They do that and then they’re like: “Then you can’t prove that Jesus never existed and blah blah blah”. No, not doing that. There’s no evidence what so ever that Gospel Jesus existed. Seeing as there’s no evidence, I have no reason to believe it therefor I dismiss it.
I am aware of no primary sources for Jesus. Again, if ANYONE knows of one; I’ll all ears.
eta:Secondary sources are sources that support primary sources; so of course: I know of no secondary sources either.
eta2: An a adult, that is my reason for not believing. I didn’t need all that to figure it out as a child; seeing the suffering in the world was enough to realize the god they were talking about in Sunday school was a hoax.
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Big difference here. People aren’t standing in front of my local school board arguing that evolution shouldn’t be taught in science classes because it contradicts the teachings of Socrates or Lycurgus.
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A few minutes checking and I found contemporary sources for Socrates, Joan of Arc, and Vlad the Impaler.
I couldn’t find one for Lycurgus. On a side note: Lycurgus was the only one I had never heard of. I’m suggesting that isn’t an accident.
Divinely kind, even to sinners, huh? But I suppose innocent infant children are shit out of luck. Because the god of which you speak is SO “divinely kind” that it will inflict an infant child with a severe illness, and then sit back and watch it suffer horribly for a full week before it dies. And your god did that as a punishment to the parents of the child who had done something to offend your god.
So, since most Christians always talk about being “more godly”, here is something you can do to be more “divinely kind” like your god. The next time one of your children disobeys you, take their favorite pet and put it in a cage. Then, begin giving small amounts of poison to the pet, so that it gets sicker and sicker each day, until it finally dies a slow horrible death on the seventh day. Oh, and your child must be made to watch this happen, and there is nothing he/she can do to save the pet. And no matter how much they beg and plead for you to stop, you will totally ignore them and allow the pet to suffer and die. THERE is the “divine kindness” your god shows.
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While we are free to choose our course of action, we are not free to choose the consequences. Whether for good or bad, consequences follow as a natural result of the choices we make.
Accountability that is an essential part of the divine gift of agency, or free will.
God does not and will not act to make us something we do not choose by our actions to become.
Truly He loves us, and because He loves us, He neither compels nor abandons us. Rather He helps and guides us. Indeed, a real manifestation of God’s love is His commandments.
You may not, but I personally rejoice in the promise of a divinely-ordained-ordained plan that permits us to make choices to act for ourselves and experience the consequences, and to taste the bitter, that we may know to prize the good.
What evidence did you find to be sound?
That’s nice dear. I’m happy that you find comfort in being a slave to your master.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate for the existence of your god?
Are your reading comprehension skills impaired, or did you intentionally completely ignore what I said about “Free Will”? YOUR GOD already KNEW prior to our existence EXACTLY the course our lives would take, right down to the very thoughts we would have each step of the way. And your god knew this because it was INTENTIONALLY pre-determined as part of its Perfect Plan that cannot be changed. Does that help you understand any better, or will you intentionally ignore this too?
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If it makes you feel any better. She ignored @David_Killens question as well. Like almost all of the Theists on here have who have come & gone before her. She’s gone off the rails I’m afraid. She claims she’s not playing games. She is. When you evade and deflect and move the goal posts. She’s playing games and I’m calling bullshit.
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Each of those four persons had contemporaneous accounts. In the case of jesus or peter, there were none, any writing came long after their deaths and were written by people who set out to establish their existence for their own agenda.
@Tia_Thompson Are you familiar with the history of the bible itself and First Council of Nicaea? It was assembled in 325 AD with a specific agenda.
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Accounts written about people during the time in which the character was (supposedly) alive. That is what we don’t have for Jesus.
eta: Isn’t it funny that of the characters mentioned in this thread, the 2 without contemporary (Lycurgus and Jesus) sources happen to be the ones we’ve been told were the actual offspring of deities. I’m suggesting that isn’t an coincidence.
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Specifically, which commandment is that? I request a quote from a specific verse.
Once again, an wild-ass claim that is easily disproven.
Which commandment is a manifestation of god’s love?
Which one?
Name it, quote it.
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Josephus and Tacitus both refer to him. Josephus also refers to the martyrdom of James. Paul (who is an attested to personality) refers to having met James and Peter, the first Bishop of the Christian Church.
What I find additionally interesting are the detractions of Jesus and Mary in the Mishnah. No one was trying to disprove his identity at that time. In the first and second century AD, the goal was defamation.
Why bothering defaming someone who didn’t exist?
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Specifically, which commandment is that? I request a quote from a specific verse.
Once again, an wild-ass claim that is easily disproven.
Which commandment is a manifestation of god’s love?
Which one?
Name it, quote it.
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The one I have repeatedly referred to, much to chagrin of some.
Matthew 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind** . 38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Along with 1 John 53
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments
The greatest commandment is to love each other.
This certainly feels like parental advice to me.
Josephus and Tacitus never met Jesus and were not even alive while Jesus was supposed to be alive.
Paul never met Jesus either.
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lol have you not been keeping up with the times on here?
Tacitus did not refer to Jesus Christ. Not even once. Josephus was a forgery doctored by a Christian scribe.
I don’t know. Because you guys come on here and bring it up. Maybe because we have people in our lives that run their mouth about it. Maybe if you bothered to learn anything about us at all you would know the religion was forced onto us at a young age.
Paul met Peter and James, the brother of Jesus.
I was referring to the Jewish Mishnah. Meme time!