Have Theistic ideals slowed humanities progression?

That episode was an absolute head fuck! Haha, my house mate reckoned he saw it coming. :rofl:

I hope they make more black mirror, there’s some really thought provoking episodes, I don’t think there was a single one I didn’t enjoy!

My favourite one was the Teddy bear one, that really brings into question, are they a real consciousness, or just a copy?

How about just good old stupidity- resource wasting… to “prop” economic figures … can you imagine the use this could have had if allocated to where there is actual need?

Oh well…

Hahahahaha ignore the immature presentation… my boys …

I remember hearing of these in around 2011 - 2012 …apparently presented as China preparing for “Mayan Calendar End of World”

I saw that China has a bunch of abandoned/ deserted cities.

It occurs to me that those cities cost many millions to build,so some bastard got rich,If only local officials from bribes.,

I saw that China has a bunch of abandoned/ deserted cities.

It occurs to me that those cities cost many millions to build,so some bastard got rich,If only local officials from bribes.

Yeah, theisim has definitely slowed the progress of our species, absolutely.

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Interesting claim.

Be fascinated to see your evidence.

A truly horrifying idea, the environmental impact of one lifetime is bad enough. It doesn’t take much imagination to see such an idea exploited by the rich and powerful either. Imagine an immortal Donald Trump or Putin, is anyone worried yet?

Also creating slaves who never die is as close to a real version of the religious idea of Hell, where you can be tortured forever, as I’d care to imagine.

Yuck! No thanks, let’s hope if it ever is feasible, that I’m long gone into oblivion.

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Indeed.

Is it my imagination, or do the young seem to have a greater fear and horror of death and being dead than the elderly?

I’ll be 73 in October. With luck I may not die for another 10, even 15 years .(dad died at 87, mum at 92) My own impending mortality doesn’t freak me like it did once.

Greatly increasing human longevity would bring some horrendous problems. At the very least, only the wealthy could afford it, creating a new and powerful elite. Imagine a Donald Trump or Rupert Murdoch living even another 50 years.

At worst, a catastrophic over population and massive world famines. (assuming climate change hadn’t made the issue irrelevant)
Human beings are biologically redundant from about age 30, having lived long enough to breed and protect their offspring to breeding age. I guess it could be increased to about 45 if there was evolutionary advantage of grandparents living long enough to look after the very young

They have much more to live for and to look forward to.

Age and experience brings the “been there, done that” AND the bodily betrayal brought by aging gently nudges us towards a well deserved “rest”…

Yes, and they tend not to even think about death.

The firsts time I seriously thought about dying was when I was in an army camp waiting to be sent to Vietnam. My thoughts were : “I’m going to Vietnam a few weeks. There will be people there trying to KILL ME!!! . No,no,no,we really don’t like THAT at idea,at all.”

Through what Aussies call sheer arse, I managed to consciously avoid going to Vietnam. Instead I joined a combat battalion which had just returned. I went with them to Malaysia and later to Singapore. Holiday posting,the blokes took their wives and kids. I was away for 14 months . I worked as a medic and loved it, but not enough to sign up again.

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Less time to deal and come to terms with death, plus (at least it was for me) the whole “I am invincible” feeling, and I would like to keep it that way!

I think anyone would like to avoid the negative effects of aging, and dying on their own terms rather then the slow decline/death. We are supposed to fear death, that is nature’s programing.

If someone offered me a pill that stopped my aging process, and had no side effects (other then maybe positive ones) I would take it. It is not like I can’t die, I just get to have a bit more control over my end.

Heck, I could easily live long enough to see the tech where I can “partition my mind” and live out many lives. Without the burden of “immortality” if I did not want it.

Yeah, I can see it being an extremely destructive occurrence, especially if only one country had the monopoly on the technology.

If we are going by probabilities, humanity won’t gain immortality ourselves, in my opinion its far more likely we will birth a form of Artificial intelligence that will go forth and explore the universe long after we are gone.

Given time, such a creation would lose all resemblance of humanities influence, if asked where they came from, they would maybe show our image through our art, videos of a dead species. I just hope they don’t mistakenly show Lord of the rings as a historical non fiction :rofl:

Welcome back Cat,

Better LOTR as history than rely on the Old Testament which is sort of similar in genre, ‘fantasy fiction’ but with hardly any moral or honourable good guys. And I’d definitely avoid substituting Game of Thrones there too.

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At least game of thrones have some cracking knockers in it, kind of makes up for the rushed disappointment of an ending :confused:

It’s good to be back, I had some hectic life issues, but things have settled down now, I finally have spare time again! :blush:

Or a Stormy Daniels (the porn star) film. I guess that could be interpreted as history.

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Wot?

What’s next, claiming that Harry Potter is not a documentary? If you don’t believe me try some of the spells. You need a real wand. I made my own. Complicated but doable—(do not buy one on Ebay or from WISH, they’re all fake)

Does that mean I’ve actually managed spells which work? Well no, not as such so far. I’ve been trying to turn my ex wife into a slug. Perhaps I should try something simpler to begin with, such as making the wand a torch.

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Meanwhile, back in reality--------

In the early 70’s ‘everyone’ was reading 'The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy AND Dune (*first book) a small group of local loons went around claiming that both The Lord Of The Rings AND Dune were literally true. --Fair enough for Lord of The Rings I guess, as it reads like a great saga, AND Elvish is a real language. (but so is Klingon)

Seems it ain’t that hard to create another language. The difficulty is getting large numbers of people to learn and speak it. (look up Esperanto)

Though for today: " Reality is OK to visit if you really must. But no one wants to actually live there" (Tarquin St John Shagnasty)

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Meanwhile, long, long before Thrones, Dunes and Rings there was “The Rise of the Habiru: Abram’s Prophecy”, very popular publication, translated several times, edited, redacted and probably rewritten several dozen times, but immensely popular . Of course the title was altered but there was a sequel, “Return of the Son of Habiru” which fans insist was even more popular, citing book sales alone. It has been prophesised there is a final book in the pipeline, but no title has been yet disclosed and there is still no date for its release. There is some suggestion it has still not been written. Sources close to the series’s creator say all will be revealed.

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Is it meant to be non fiction or educated Historical fiction?

Have never heard of it. I’d like to read it, but still have half a dozen books I’m slowly reading. Sometimes it’s so long between reads that I have to start again. I forget how many times I’ve gone back to the start with “Paul; The Mind Of The Apostle” by A n Wilson.

I remember reading and enjoying James Mitchener’s ’ The Source’, in the early 70’s. Great fun to read, but I’m not entirely convinced Mitchener was a good historian. His tomes tend to be very formulaic.

Also read a few books about the Holocaust from around 200.

There have been two interesting [and recommended] books in the last 2-3 years:

Did God Have a Wife? - Wikipedia.

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I’m going to have to look this up, for scientific purposes of course

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Sorry Cranky, I think you might have already read these.
I was actually taking the piss here.
I was mocking the Old Testament (The Rise of the Habiru: Abrams Prophecy) and the New Testament (Return of the Son of Habiru). I was just ranting in a frivolous deranged sort of way as I do after a binge on uncured poppy seeds.

I think you might already be familiar with the actual historical term “Habiru” as being the name given to the assorted motely congregation of wanderers, outlaws, labourers, snake oil men and intinerants who lived on the fringes of better civilisations all over the ancient world who ended up congregating on the eastern edges of Canaan in the 2nd millennium BC and who eventually coalesced into a loose confederation of tribes with a unique social and religious tradition and which first came to prominence under the rulership of Saul and David…or something very much like it.
Hope that clears things up.