This is one of the most common logics theists put forward in reply to “why am I responsible for my actions because god already determinded my actions and knows what I m gonna do, and I cant do something else”. Theist will say, "this is actually the other way around, meaning u dont do it bcoz he knows it, rather he knows beforehand that u will do it, so actually your actions dont depend on his knowledge or plan!!
How do you respond to that?
My understanding is, doesnt matter if I depend on his plan/prediction/foreknoweldge, he knows it all IN THE END and I CAN NOT go/do beyond his foreknowledge, so there is no justification of existence of freewill, when this is already “pre-determined”
An architect/engineer designs a structure. He has zero assistance/input from anybody else. He plans EVERYTHING down to the very last detail. There are even design flaws that he purposely adds, KNOWING they will cause future problems within the structure. The architect/engineer then proceeds to manufacture every single item that will be required to build the structure, down to tiniest of nails, nuts, and bolts. Again, zero help from anybody else. He then builds the structure EXACTLY according to the plans he made, to include the flaws he designed into it. Again, no help with the construction process. As an added bonus, the structure was built in a location where he can control every single aspect of the environmental conditions, down to the slightest of breezes and every single drop of rain.
Shortly after the construction is complete, the architect/engineer causes a severe storm to hit the structure. The high winds and heavy rain weaken one of the design flaws he purposely built into the main support beam of the structure. The main beam fails, and the structure collapses, EXACTLY the way he knew it would.
Who is responsible for the destruction of the structure?
I think it is hypothetical, since there is no objective evidence any deity exists outside of the human imagination, and I’ve not heard any rational argument or seen any objective evidence that a deity is even possible.
Of course ideas like omniscience and omnipotence contain innate contradictions, if a being existed and knew everything then it would necessarily know what it will do, and when, so how then can it have choice or autonomy? This of course would negate the notion it could simultaneously be omnipotent, and demonstrates that the notion of such a being with those characteristics is irrational.
Thanks. It ain’t perfect, but it gets the point across. Let’s take it a tiny step further, though…
That same engineer/architect is also a genius programmer. Let’s say he engineers and builds some advanced robots to keep him company. He’s so good that he programs the robots such that he knows EXACTLY what each one will do at any given moment on any given day in any situation. And he purposely programs them to do EXACTLY what he wants them to do according to a Plan he developed. None of the robots can do anything other than what the Programmer planned for them to do. The Programmer even knows EXACTLY when/where/why which robots will malfunction, with those malfunctions causing those robots to do great harm and damage to other robots. Granted, the Programmer could intervene at any given time and prevent the malfunctions. However, to do so would mean having to alter his overall Plan. Besides, he actually programmed those robots to malfunction in the first place.
Who is at fault when innocent robots get damaged by the malfunctioning robots?
Asked and answered. Being omniscient, our robot builder could have done no different than he did. After all, he already knew he would do it before he did it. To do any action, no matter how small, outside its own awareness of exactly what he was going to do (had to do), would mean he did not know and, was therefore not omniscient and not God. An omniscient robot builder has no choice but to build robots exactly as he builds them. Everything is determined by that which is omniscient for it to be omniscient. Where can one place ‘fault’ in such a system?