The last resort excuse for my kids when they did something awful was “You never told us not to”. I remember trying the same excuse when I was a kid.
In “1984” everything not permitted was forbidden. In the Bible it’s the opposite. If it’s not specifically forbidden, it’s ok. Other gods, coveting, graven images, wearing multiple fabrics, working on Sunday, wanking, adultery…bad. Child abuse, genocide, slavery, torture…No problem. God never told us not to.
Yair, seems a bit fucked up. Until one realises we’re talking about the mythology of a tribe of nomadic bronze age goat herders.
OF COURSE their god is going to be an arsehole. YHWH was invented by people whose lives were nasty, brutish and short.
All religions reflect the society which invents them. How could they not? The Jews and Christians seem to have moved on significantly. Unfortunately, some of the ultra orthodox Muslims are stuck in the seventh century. Stoning adulterers, chopping off body parts for various offences and hanging gays, that kind of thing–
My favourite comes from Dubia; If a woman reports having been raped, she is arrested for having extra marital sex. I shit you not…
Was god so stupid that he wanted Adam to “hook up” with an animal first… ???
19Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.
But for Adam f no suitable helper was found.21So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep;
Just weird. “Hey, Adam - what to you think of this one? Is it cute? What do you want to call it?” Sorta an ancient “Tinder” (swipe left)
According to Jewish apocrypha, Eve was not the first woman . Her name was Lilith, a redhead**. She refused to obey Adam,So naturally, Adam complained to YHWH. Lilith was promptly turned into a demon. YHWH had another go,and made Eve…and didn’t that turn out splendidly.
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde; to lose one woman is a misfortune.Lose two and it begins to look like carelessness.
Until this minute, I had not thought of YHWH as casual or careless, but after having a short think, I reckon he was. I guess those qualities are so relatively trivial against say genocidal, that they get over looked.
**In Jewish folklore,redheads are considered unlucky to this day
*** Lilith (/ ˈ l ɪ l ɪ θ /; Hebrew: לִילִית Lîlîṯ) is a figure in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud (3rd to 5th century AD). From c. AD 700-1000 onwards Lilith appears as Adam’s first wife, created at the same time (Rosh Hashanah) and from the same clay as Adam—compare Genesis 1:27. The figure of Lilith may relate in part to a historically earlier …
Nowadays, Lilith has become a symbol of freedom for many feminist groups. Due to the rising level of education, women started to understand that they could be independent, so they began looking for symbols of feminine power. She also started to be worshiped by some followers of the pagan Wicca religion, which was created in the 1950s.
Uh - yah … me thinks pagans were around a lot longer than the ‘50s … maybe the name Wiccan but nature and majic has been worshipped and apart of our historic record before Jewish and Christian …
Fascinating, but it doesn’t go back far enough. But,whatever works I guess. Taken superficially, certainly a terrific terrific role model of a feisty,independent woman.
Although her unpleasant end at the hands of the male power paradigm seems to been overlooked.
Each of the Abrahamic religions are pathologically patriarchal. Women have always been treated as belongings, like live stock. The attitude remains at the core of each of the three religions, it’s only a matter of degree. Women becoming clergy is a good start, but only a start. Not entirely sure the Catholic church will allow women priests any time soon. Within my life time,women had to cover their heads in church.–and of course the patriarchal religions continue to control women’s reproduction as much as they possibly can.
According to a book I like and have quoted here several times: YHWH began as an ancient Israelite war god. He had a wife called Asherath who was part of the Canaanite pantheon…
Lilith was a much more recent invention, apparently coming from Babylon
Feminism as it is today only began when I was in my teens,less than 50 year ago, with such writers and activists as Germaine Greer, Betty Friedan,Shire Hite and Catherine MacKinnon. Also read a couple of feminist writers at university.
MacKinnon did NOT say “all intercourse is rape”. What she actually said was:
"She has asserted that rape laws are written to protect the perpetrators rather than the victims, and that pornography is a violation of civil rights. She is notable for the part she played in bringing about Canada’s tougher anti-pornography laws, and in persuading the U.S. Supreme Court to adopt the view that sexual harassment is a form of sex
I grew up in a one income family with defined gender roles. Equal pay for women in civil service began in 1970, the year I got out of the army. From that time,a woman was no longer required to resign when she got married.
Feminism confused the fuck out of me. Took years before I began to understand the ideology. So, I stuck to what I saw as core principles. EG women demand to be treated as equals by men,because they are and have always been mens’ equals… That there are very few jobs which one actually needs a penis or a vagina.
The major religions that still exist today are proof of evolution. The three Abrahamic religions were brutal, murderous, and patriarchal. But over the many years, advances in science and society have pushed those religions to change, or die.
They did, grudgingly, and just enough to remain in power. When they have the opportunity, they still espouse the brutal beliefs of nomads from three thousand years ago.
Oh my god - I totally agree with these posts! There are so many contradictions - I totally agree that the God is the Old Testament is contradictory and has a dual nature…I am scared of this God. I don’t feel any Love and it just all seems like a set of rules…It’s like we’re supposed to forgive other human beings, but I don’t feel ANY forgiveness
What is the “feeling” of forgiveness? Is it like an itch, or a burning sensation, maybe a high, like from cocaine?
Sort out your emotions and properly label them, top assign a generalization of “feeling” means nothing.
I am an atheist, and I have forgiven people for past perceived wrongs against me. By doing so I do not experience a “feeling”, just the opposite. Because I have let go of anger, animosity, or resentment. I don’t give a crap about the person I have 'forgiven", I just understand that carrying such negative active emotions inside of me harms me.
I don’t feel any better because of it, instead I enjoy better sleep, reduced chances of any medical problems because of stress, and I spend that time on positive things, such as enjoying a movie or the company of my loved ones.