"God believes in you whether you believe in him or not"

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I’m aggravated. Pissed is the word. I was talking to this guy at work about a bunch of random stuff and then we landed on the subject of death for whatever reason and he starts talking about “God” and I was like “lets not get religious” and kind of laughing it off. What does he do, yeah, he goes there anyway. It’s like he knew he could smell that I wasn’t a Christian. Like it was blood in the water.

Then he starts preaching at me that I should believe and then he said to me “God believes in you whether you believe in him or not” so I walked away. I was aggravated but I’ve argued with Christians before and there’s no debating with them because they’re so friggin narrow minded. Not good in the work place either.

Is there some remark or something I can say the next time this happens?

I just really feel like I want the last word on this twerp. I really hate when someone rubs my nose in it.

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Me usually… “Great! I have no worries!”

Underlying pissing off is that Christians are worried.

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That is nice, but I always wonder if she has big boobs.

God is a man.

God gave birth to everything, and only a female can give birth.

Take the conversation into a place that is awkward for them. Control the conversation.

Have some lines prepared.

That is nice, and I know you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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My go to response is “see you in hell”.

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I talked to him again and told him that if we talk. I’d rather we didn’t discuss religion. I put it politely. Did he get the hint? No he did not. Now he’s saying that he can prove God exists and that sometime when we have time. He’s going to prove it with some sort of psychological trick that he does.

But here’s how I know he’s baiting me. He told me to ask him. If I go to him and ask him to do it. I’ll be validating his inner opinion that I’m not truly an atheist and that in his mind, I must think it’s real. I’ll be giving into his beliefs.

No. I’m not playing this game. Even if there was a magic trick, it wouldn’t work. He can’t convert me. I don’t know why he cares what I believe in.

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I have found a threat of violence can do the the trick.

Most recent was over a decade ago ( I don’t usually mix with believers; nothing in common)

I was at a party of a good [atheist] friend. Much to his chagrin and embarrassment, his youngest daughter had recently become a happy clapper.

She was at the party. Accompanying her was an earnest young man with a gaze.

Ernest slithered over, fixed me with his gaze and said, earnestly, : " Have you heard the news?"

I replied; “I’m not sure. But if the answer is Jesus I’m going to punch you in the face” ( I was bluffing, but he didn’t know that) He slithered away with alacrity. :innocent:

Simply walking is also good.

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Try…“I have sold my soul to Satan, and worship the devil myself. Would you be interested in hearing about my spiritual journey?”

My guess is they will piss their pants right there, and sprint away from you, backwards…

:grin::sunglasses:

Or you could just say "I don’t believe you. Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity? "

That seems to have a similar effect in my experience.

Remember to keep cool, chances are they’re not trying to piss you off.

That said always remember you have the right to end the conversation. As you did…

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ask him which strategy he will be using for the proof:

  1. Proof by Construction
  2. … by Contradiction
  3. … by Exhaustion.
  4. other (fill in black or whatever).

Might be good for a laugh.

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I got a Christian friend at work that wants to convert me. He says that all the time. I just ask, “How do you know, you have not demonstrated that your god even exists so how would you know what he is thinking?”

Try these: Your God loves me and yet…
John 3:18; Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (I can only conclude your friend is lying!)

1 Corinthians: 15:33; Bad company ruins good morals.

2 Corinthians: 16:14; Do not be yoked with unbelievers. What partnership is righteous with lawlessness? What fellowship has light with darkness?

2 John; 1-9 ~ 1~11: “. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.” (But he loves me huh?)

2 Chronicles 15:12-13; but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

2 Corinthians 4:4; In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (Satan is the God of this world according to the bible. You may get this argument. In which case. God is allowing Satan to be the God of this world. It does not change the fact that God obviously does not love YOU.)

Psalm 14:1 ESV / 554 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good. (Yep, he must love me to say such things. And certainly wants me to love him back.)
Revelation 21:8; But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Notice where that God who loves me places me and my worth? Tell your god to go fuck himself.)

You aren’t even supposed to be talking to me… " Hebrews 3:12: Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God."

Deuteronomy 17:12; The man who acts presumptuously by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die. (But God Loves You) So you shall purge the evil from Israel.

James 4:4; You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Jesus himself is a bigot, " Jesus tells his disciples to keep away from the Gentiles. Matthew10:5-6

  1. Cities that neither “receive” the disciples nor “hear” their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. (Matthew 10:14-15) I can live without that sort of love.

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20-24 This is the loving god you speak of? That’s how he shows his love?

“He that is not with me is against me.” Matthew 12:30. One of the most loving comments in the whole bible.

Look, this list goes on forever and ever… Jesus, The Christian God, and the bible, HATE NON-BELIEVERS. You are only loved if you agree to be an idiot and believe.

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Good for you. While I don’t like to play other peoples games I find my own amusing :slight_smile: . I’d make a bet with myself on how many days of ignoring the subject before he offers this wonderous proof of god again, and how many days before he corners you and insist on telling you. I don’t think it’ll be long. A week at most?

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Ask your work mate to prove the promise Jesus makes in Mark 16:17-18, that is, ask him to do just one of the following: to speak in new tongues with an interpreter nearby, freely handle venomous snakes, drink deadly poison and heal sick people merely by touching them. He might try raising a few of the dead, returning sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf and mobility to the lame, exorcise some poor biddy of demons and make water alcoholic, a very popular work party trick. Jesus was pretty adamant his true followers would be able to do whatever he was capable of and more. It was only a matter of the smallest amount of faith.

When your pal fails to deliver, you might try something similar to what Jesus told his followers to do when they encountered non-believers, state your disbelief, “shake the dust from your sandals” and politely ignore any further references to religion from him. If he continues to pester you with evangelical zeal, and it bothers you, let him know you will report him to the boss or HR for harrassment in the workplace.

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A bit hard when one is the boss.

About 40 years ago, there was this brand new [male] happy clapper in my office. He insisted on exclaiming, loudly " PRAISE THE LORD!!! at indeterminate times. It was very disconcerting I can tell you. There were complaints. He was asked nicely to cease and desist, several times. He paid no attention.

In desperation I took him aside, and said very calmly, very softly, very earnestly, that if he did not cease I was going to punch his lights out. Fortunately for me, he didn’t know I was bluffing. One’s employment is terminated for punching another’s lights out, even in the civil service.

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“Presupposing god exists in the first place of course.”

This is not even an argument it is thinly veiled condescension that warrants no more than a polite “Okay dude.”

The statement itself is moot, its axiomatic. Is there any way a being who created a thing COULD fail to believe in said thing’s existence? I mean, c’mon.

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Exactly. That’s why everyone should know they are loved. It’s just so damn obvious. I fully agree. Great post.

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It’s fair to be aggravated you clearly told them “Lets not get into religion” he then chose to ignore your boundary’s. That is when I’d restate “Excuse me, what did I just say” He just makes himself look like a jerk in the end anyways. You can convince them their religion is wrong it’s not impossible but it takes a ton of time and effort and even if you do, you’re taking them under your wing and it’s not something we all have the energy for and that’s fine. Although my stance has always been if a person isn’t using their belief to justify being toxic or harmful to a certain group of people then i don’t care what they believe as long as they don’t pull me into the middle of it. With someone like that though they’re showing they’re willing to step right over you. I’d just keep being firm. Draw out what boundaries are be clear as to why the conversation doesn’t go the direction of religion and what you won’t be discussing. And when they cross the line and ignore it make it clear that you’re leaving. Explain you don’t need to understand my position but if they want to communicate with you then they need to respect it. This is how I’d phrase it. But in the end it’s up to you and what you want to do.

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