Awwww… I didn’t know somebody took my picture that day.
@MrDawn Look! That’s me on my first day as Cog’s protege. When I first joined this site, I knew less than nothing. (Is there such a thing? I mean, if there was something less than nothing, that would sorta mean nothing is something, right? Oh, uh, anyway…) But then, after several weeks of Cog begging and pleading, I finally allowed him to take me under his armpit and teach me the Ways of Atheism. And NOW, thanks to his kind and caring wisdom and infinite patience, you see me here as I now am. No longer do I know nothing. Nor do I know everything. Rather, I have finally achieved the perfect balance of knowing just enough to be dangerous. And with just a slight bit of dedication and determination, you too can someday reach that perfect halfway point.
I’m grateful someone around here recognizes my DAMN infinite patients! The fact that I even respond to some of these posts is a tribute to the polite, kind and patient soul that I am.
I stand on the shoulders of others. I am aware of my mechanical and technical prowess, and do hold a unique viewpoint. But on most of the subjects I cover here, I learned from many in this forum and watching videos.
I learned what to say and do, and equally important, what not to say and do.
As far as I’m aware, all that is considered to be Hitler himself has met the same fate as everyone else before a hundred years ago, just being part of the Earth again. As far as justice, he may not care deeply now, but his legacy and even unfortunately those who share his name are tarnished with the disgust and hatred of future generations. Not really satisfying, probably, but I’m not really sure how his suffering would make what the Jews went through during those times somehow ‘evened out’ or ‘okay’. It’s like, some people think people can go to Hell just for not believing in Jesus, some people think you can go to Hell for not knocking on enough doors, some people think some go to Hell for having s*x. If the torture Hitler went through was so terrible as to make all of that satisfying for those people who were tortured by him, would that not be unsatisfying to torture someone that badly for missing a couple Sundays?
Maybe the alternative is that everyone could end up in their own place on the spectrum of Heaven and Hell that is customized for exactly what they did? Could there be any other way to truly achieve justice? And if it were so, would it be justice that we were taught our whole lives how to change and become better people just to end up in a place that is unchanging for eternity, a place to where we can never earn better after a certain point?
Alternatively to all of that, perhaps only one person in this entire existence is actually real? In that case, Hitler could try to live life over and over again until he didn’t murder or cause the torture and death of millions of people, and god would be good for both not having put people through that suffering for the benefit of testing someone and Hitler wouldn’t end up having to go to Hell for eternity because he would eventually learn his lesson. This seems like the most likely scenario of a good god to me, but the inclination is terrifying, imho
(and if this were the case, it obviously wouldn’t be Hitler that was real, it would be you)
Would that relate to memories? Is not the act of recollection a psychic one? Even if they are stored physically, they are recovered as psychic phenomenon.
What kind of organ is the brain, if by material process it creates immaterial experience? I think that is the interesting question here. Not necessarily “is the mind completely immaterial?” Surely it is not. But surely parts of it are. Shirley?
I’d like to see you once build an argument without using your philosophical tools of attack. Straw man. Ad this Ad that. You couldn’t. Without your philosophical tools of attack your helpless. When it comes to making original observations you’re about as thick as that material consciousness of yours.
More intellectual grand standing by you. You’re the one who never changes. You keep repeating the same tired old 19th century philosophy what with your woo-woo and your “non sequiturs”. If I had a penny for every lame ass philosophical term you think makes you such a “good” debater, I’d be fucking retired in the Bahamas.
You’re NOT good at this. You make too many points. You don’t change your vocabulary ever. You use the same techniques over and over. You’re unoriginal. You’re EXTREMELY predictable. You’re boring. You’re EXTREMELY tiresome.
It’s as if your consciousness were some kind of material slime slithering through the folds in your brain.
Be my guest. Trading insults is something I’d find a million more times interesting that acquiescing to your terms of debate just to spend the next five years coming to some kind of conclusion.
Do your worst, fart knocker. As long as you don’t go running to admin after I drag your sorry ass through the mud, feel free as a bird to call me or my mother whatever you like. I think I can take it, you fucking block head.
Oh dear, here we go again, in what way is the storing of memories in a functioning physical brain inexplicable by natural laws, or non physical? Wildly clutching at straws, the problem is your emotionally invested in the idea, and so are impervious to reason on the topic.
“Different types of memory are created and stored in varying ways, and in various areas of the brain. Researchers are still pinpointing the details, but they know that autobiographical memories — those of events experienced personally — begin to take lasting form in a part of the brain called the hippocampus, in the hours and days that follow the event. Neurons communicate with each other through synapses — junctions between these cells that include a tiny gap across which chemical messengers can be sent. Each neuron can be connected to thousands of others in this way. Through a process known as synaptic plasticity, neurons constantly produce new proteins to remodel parts of the synapse, such as the receptors for these chemicals, which enables the neurons to selectively strengthen their connections with one another. This creates a network of cells that, together, encode a memory. The more often a memory is recalled, the stronger its neural network becomes. Over time, and through consistent recall, the memory becomes encoded in both the hippocampus and the cortex. Eventually, it exists independently in the cortex, where it is put away for long-term storage.”
BS, I don’t believe you, evidence please.
Begging the question fallacy, you are assuming your conclusion without evidence in your premise or question. It’s just lazy biased argument, and you seem oblivious to this.
There is no objective evidence any of it is immaterial in the woo woo sense you are suggesting.
BS, you can rant and repeat the claim all you want, it doesn’t represent objective evidence or cogent argument. The best you have demonstrated is appeals to mystery, the tired old “well we don’t know” argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy so much apologetics falls back on.
Go fuck yourself you myopic superstitious arrogant prick, you were warned. Play nice and you’ll get a little cheese, but if you can’t behave like an adult then so be it.
Irony overload, a retarded rat using fallacious petty ad hominem, while complaining that someone’s arguments are too much for his dim witted intellect to cope with.
So still no cogent or intelligent answer then, just the same ranting pathetic ad hominem, you’re not even very good at that.
Too much for you is it, bless.
More vapid ad hominem, sadly when your bs is challenged petty name calling seems to be all you have, the irony of your accusations is palbable.
Which ironically would still be physical, though the irony is of course wasted on you, but attempting to add woo woo unevidenced superstition won’t fly.
Naturally, that appears to be all you have after all, you’d have to grasp how vapid your assertions were, and understand the arguments against them to find them interesting. What’s ironic is you seem to think your inane superstitious assertions are fascinating to anyone but people who share your superstition, you simply don’t grasp that others find your woo woo claims as tedious and boring as you find objective facts and arguments you can’t cope with. When the fuck did the t & c’s of this site include a disclaimer that posts must be entertaining to superstitious blowhards and their snake oil nonsense?
I never said you’d claimed this, though it was certainly implied, but I was in fact pointing out that this implies a physical biological process, not the woo woo you’re peddling, it seems the simplest points are whooshing over your hairy snout.
You can’t weigh a laugh you cretin, are you going to suggest this is makes laughing a non material process? Consciousness is clearly a function of the physical brain, Occam’s razor for the rest of your unevidenced bs, no matter how much it bunches your panties. Now I will go away for 24hrs while you run your claw along the big words.
Destroy a functioning brain, and you will see how immaterial the process of consciousness is.
Death by a thousand needle pricks. And you’re the king of pricks.
This is what you do Sheldon. Only someone with your obsession would spend this much time addressing posts (including posts which who the fuck asked YOU?) and then, by default, label me the loser of the debate or scared of your counter arguments, or whatever because I lack the interest of spending an hour of my time reacting to YOU. I don’t even fucking know you. How exactly are you entitled to THAT MUCH Of my time.
FYI. I didn’t fucking ask you a goddamn thing about memory and I wasn’t talking to you. Wait your fucking turn at the water fountain.
FYI. I haven’t read a thing beyond that. I looked at the length of the post. And if you continue to attempt victory in debate by information overload, you’re forewarned blockhead - TL:DR
Or for you especially because you’re so special and you take SOOOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME REACTING TO MY PASTA FONGERS
Ad Hominem Bullshit. Ratty, do you have anyting to say?
SURPRISE: It’s a public forum, NOT a private E-mail. If you were not so high you woud realize this.
Oh fuck, Forewarning Sheldon doesn’t do any good. You print something goofy he drags you over the coals. I would expect the same of any good friend. Good frends let other good frends know when they are being a complete fucking goofball. You go ratty. Don’t let Sheldon push you around., You nail his feet to the cross. Gol get him you littel varminmt. We are all on your side!
(Anyone sitting in that front row seat over there? I’ll share my popcorn with you?)
F still stands for ‘Flunk’ ratty. It has not changed since your last report card.
Look old hairy friend. You haven’t read me right. I did not say a mind without a body. I said a non-physical thing coming from a physical thing. If you don’t like that. A non-material thing coming from a material thing.
Who the fuck does he think he is exactly. If you ass is tight enough you can find cracks in anything.
That’s his approach to debate. Find little cracks in everything. And point them out. And pretend like the other person cares. Don’t stick to one point. Oh god no. Who would ever fucking want to focus on one thing at a time.
I don’t have ADHD and I don’t have time to respond to this poser as if he’s my wife and his nagging has any effect on me.
I’m not saying he’s as stupid as he looks. If he wants to debate he can pick one thing and ask me the question. That’s how orderly discussion happens.
Like how much does consciousness weigh? How much does a memory weigh? Fair questions. No tricks. Except that if you answer and you’re a materialist, then yer kinda fucked.
Poor use of fallacy fallacy. Memories don’t weigh anything. Brains do. How does that occur?
I LOVE IT. I’M so fucking hard right now. Please DONT STOP.
To what exactly. Where’s yours. Is memory something with mass or not? What’s the answer?
You’re FUCKING THICK! I mean your cock. Jesus man. It’s HUGE!
What woo? The mind is non-physical. Evidence: it cannot be put on a scale and given a weight.
Like a beam of light has no mass.
Sound is a wave of energy that propagates through matter. It certainly has its origins in matter. What can’t be measured is the perception of sound. You can give sound a frequency and a wave length, but you cannot define the feeling you get when it enters you ear canal, strikes the drum, transmits information to the brain and is then “heared”. Can you weigh the perception of sound?
My panties are SO WET RIGHT NOW. You are the king of insults.
Here’s a razor for you. If you can’t put it on a scale, it doesn’t have mass. If it doesn’t have mass it’s im ma fucking terial.
Good. Go away for 24 hours while I soak my balls in hot water. I’ll need them cool and ripe for our next meeting. Fuck, you’re good at this boy.
That’s right girl friend, you let ole Shelly have it. I’m sure he is feeling really bad about now. How dare he find cracks in your assertions. He does that same fucking shit to everyone and we are all tired of it.
Yea, we don’t care. Fuck our cracks@! No one was looking at them until Sheldon came along. Now our little cracks are all stretched out of shape. Yea, who does he think you are, his wife? His nagging has no effect on you or your little cracks. In fact, you just might pick up your little crack and take it home. If he wants a debate he should pick a thing. A big long fat one. One that weighs a lot. One we can stick in an MRI and MEASURE. You give him hell ratty.
Can someone save my seat? My side hurts and I gotta take a pee.
Another straw man since since I never claimed you had, I know it’s hard for you, but do try and keep up, and I realise this is also a difficult concept for you champ, but this is a public debate forum. So I will post and respond as and when I am minded to. You don’t get to tell others when or to whom they can respond. Though your inability to defend yet another asinine claim you’ve made about brain functions is duly noted. FYI the storing and recalling of memories is an entirely physical process, and it certainly can be, and is being, explained by science as the excerpt I posted above amply demonstrates.
Not to worry, take your time and move your claws slowly over the big words. When you get stuck just stick a claw in the air and ask, I may grant your boon if I am feeling generous.
Oh no, the tedious little man with the inferiority complex is going to ignore my posts as they’re too difficult for him to tackle, whatever will I do. consciousness nonetheless remains a product of the physical brain, and this is amply supported by objective evidence. You try pointing out that consciousness can’t be weighed again though, that was fucking hilarious, Ipso facto we can add sneezing coughing and laughing to your list of magic processes then, dear oh dear but you’re soiling your cage with each new rant, it is both hilarious and horrifying to watch, car crash stuff even for you.
He can’t hear you, he’s too busy focusing on my posts, and trying to pretend he’s not, bless. I think I am living rent free in his consciousness.
You can say mermaids are hiding in the sea, DEMONSTRATE something approaching objective evidence, or cogent rational argument that supports this claim? If you can, which is a prospect i find extremely dubious given your horrendous car crash display thus far.
I mean, if there was something less than nothing, that would sorta mean nothing is something, right? Oh, uh, anyway…) But then, after several weeks of Cog begging and pleading, I finally allowed him to take me under his armpit and teach me the Ways of Atheism. And NOW, thanks to his kind and caring wisdom and infinite patience, you see me here as I now am. No longer do I know nothing. Nor do I know everything. Rather, I have finally achieved the perfect balance of knowing just enough to be dangerous. And with just a slight bit of dedication and determination, you too can someday reach that perfect halfway point.
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