TLDR, the gun jams, the perp is tackled, and suddenly it’s a “Jesus miracle”. I suddenly feel like this story was set up to feed Christian Propaganda.
Not overly convinced of that pastor’s faith, he practically pissed his pants and ran…no, dived for cover. Don’t get me wrong that was the sensible rational choice, but to go from that to “yeah, goddunit wivah miracul” is simply too funny to ignore. 
Though of course a gun jamming has a perfectly natural explanation that is in accordance with natural and scientific law, thus it is not by definition a miracle, and of course even were this not the case, and it were entirely inexplicable, and so assert that having no contrary explanation of an event was evidence it was a miracle is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, and thus irrational by definition, and the weakest and poorest of reasoning.
FWIW if it was real and not staged, then I am glad no one was hurt. It’s a shame however that this deity they imagine to be real and have intervened here, appears to sit idly by while countless people including children are killed daily.
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It’s evident that the pastor doesn’t really believe in the fairytale. If he did he would have simply stood still with his hands on his hips and a smile on his face while waiting to be shot in church. After all, Jesus won’t return until a certain number of believers have bee killed for their faith. He insists on it. And since that is the case and since believers want Jesus to return, they should be pleased to get killed while at church. After all, they could be that magic number that would satisfy Jesus. Wouldn’t that be wonderful?
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I don’t know about you, but I don’t believe in the existence of Jesus. 
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When you assume on yourself, you make an ass out of U and yourself.
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I’m glad I’m not influenced by such propaganda.
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What propaganda, and why are you not influenced by it? Try and go beyond bare pithy assertions of what you think and believe, and offer something expansive to explain why.
You know, propaganda. That influencing stuff that’s out there all around us.
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Oh, that propaganda, the influencing stuff, now I see it…
Why is it not influencing him again? 
Better not driving a car after being exposed to propaganda, then. You know, driving under influence…
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What influenced you to say that?
What kind of propaganda would you be happy to be influenced by?
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They forget coincidence-coincidences, randomness, chance, probability. They have changed the definition of miracles it seems to things that easily be construed as luck and or chance , random chance, previously there were physics defying events now it is stuff that is much much more mundane. as well, since science dawned, the age of scientific discovery it is most odd and convenient that that with this timing the massive miracles disappeared. I do not at all even remotely believe in miracles not Jesus’s or any others, nor do I believe in the soul or souls as there is major connections between the physical brain, it’s partsand chemicals and intelligence, consciousness, awareness and if it is affected by injury or accidents that person is radically changed . Also I do not believe in God as yes there is no proof and no evidence, great anti-evidence , too many problems , plus contradicts science and history and internal philosophical contradictions and textual contradictions , the design argument has many flaws so I do not believe God exists. I am Agnostic Atheist. But miracles, no proof no evidence they fly against laws of physics, there should be testable, measurable effects that can be measured, analyzed yet there is not, plus science would not reliably work yet it does. As far as this being a miracle I do not believe generally or specifically, it could be luck, random chance, coincidence. I believe it was just and only luck, random chance, coincidence and firmly so. Plus it may not always work out this way across the board either, devastation by disasters to believers and to their places of Belief-Worship, so that is counter . I just do not believe.
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Guilty of a felony, he is no longer eligible to run for president. Game over.
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AFAIK, the Constitution specifies only three requirements for presidential candidates.
- Be a natural born citizen
- Be at least 35 years old
- Have been a US resident for at least 14 years
Should the GOP not still make him their horse to back (again), I’ll be very surprised.
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Oh Shit! I the ought the president could not be convicted of a felony. Damn… We could have a felon as the president of the USA. Not that that has not happened before. (I mean a convicted felon.) LOL
I grew up in California
" 1)Provides a person is not considered a candidate for, and not
eligible to be elected to, any elective office in the state if
the election occurs within 20 years of the date upon which the
person completes a sentence, including probation, for
conviction of a felony that involved a conflict of interests,
an act of fraud, dishonesty, a breach of public trust, or
money laundering."
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It’s worth noting that a miracle is defined as “an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.”
The emboldened part is a textbook argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. Though I also see your point, that theists are also claiming any fortuitous outcome is a miracle, even when we have a natural scientific explanation. Blame Pulp Fiction for this one.
Indeed, and this is the point even if we knew what happened couldn’t be explained by natural or scientific laws, it’s still a fallacy to assume that the lack of a contrary explanation or evidence lends any credence to the claim it was divine intervention. However in all the cases I’ve seen, it comes down to subjective claims that such an event even occurred, at best propped up with an argumentum ad populum fallacy.
The first thing required is sufficient objective evidence that a miracle is even possible, and for that they would need to objectively demonstrate that a deity exists or is even possible, as well an anything supernatural. They are trying to use the claim as evidence for another claim.
So what are you saying God should not be fair and just and allow everyone to eternally live in a state of rebellion against His laws. Miracles happen daily just deaths happen, whether it was fake or real there is a lesson here. That we can die any moment and should invest in eternity with Jesus.
better come up with some examples then toddler.
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Please stop proselytizing. Preaching isn’t debating. Simply stating that your god exists, does not make it so.
The fact that you are still alive and have not been swallowed up by a giant fish, bitten by a poisonous snake, or died from the ingestion of holy water and all the shit it contains is miracle enough to make me want to believe. How in the hell else could such a mentally challenged human survive in the world today? It’s certainly miraculous. Whether or not that has anything whatsoever to do with a God is still up for grabs, but I will certainly agree it’s fucking amazing.
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