Can atheist have close friendships with the devoutly religious?

Yes I’m afraid that’s probably best.

The only alternative left otherwise is to send Sven our Master At Arms to see him. As usual, Sven will be accompanied by Maurice, his hunting ferret. Also as usual, Sven will be carrying a large satchel containing a small mallet and a pineapple.

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@boomer47 Or we can send Mongo from the movie “Blazing Saddles” on him:

We’d bloody have to. Mongo would eat Maurice.

I am not sure if @rat_spit would survive a fight against either Maurice or Mongo. Either way, thanks for your support on my decision to ignore Ratty, as his posts no longer make any sense to me.

You obviously haven’t got the slightest clue of what someone who suffers from schizophrenia experiences on a daily basis.

“Hallucination”? What does it mean. Is it the kind of “I took a bunch of mushrooms and when I close my eyes I see geometric forms” - or is it “I hear a pernicious voice at every moment of the day.”

I REFUSE to justify the symptoms of my illness as OBJECTIVE evidence.

You’re just going to have to accept that as a person who hallucinates all day long - I hear the voice of a demon.

You tell ME why that is the case? How does science explain it? I shouldn’t have to. I have enough shit to deal with.

@rat_spit Are you getting treatment for it? Hopefully, you are getting help for your condition. I hope you do feel better soon. Might I suggest you do out in nature…walk in the woods or on the beach. Or sit on a cliff and watch the waves roll and the clouds pass by…all very relaxing.

Regardless, as I said before, I really hope you do feel and get better soon.

Oh, Maurice doesn’t actually fight . He just runs up a bloke’s leg and bites off his testicles. You really don’t want to know what he does to women. :open_mouth:

Reminds me of a joke: what does Elmo get before he leaves the factory? Two test tickles. :grin:

Yes. Thanks for asking. I’m on a moderate but regular dose of seroquel - with a little risperodone to boot. It’s kept me stable for 13 years.

You seem educated in Buddhism. I’d love to pick your brain. How did you come by the subject?

Really? That’s to stabilise mood isn’t it? .Different purpose in schizophrenia? What do you take to control your schizophrenic thinking? Whatever it is, seems to have stopped working, or you’ve stopped taking it. But, taking crack would fuck up most psychotropics as far as I’m aware

Seroquel is pretty good drug, I take it every night. Keeps my mood stable.

Oh @boomer47 !!! facepalm!!! I don’t use crack :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: it was a joke made in poor taste.

My schizophrenic thinking is perturbed by my antipsychotics - risperodone and seroquel. Seroquel was originally developed as an anti-psychotic.

It doesn’t solve everything. I use meditation to deal with the rest. I am about 85 % voice free. The remainder is either annoying or requires a diligent response from me to quash it.

Ie. no psychiatric person could coach me on how to handle my illness.

Indeed. Seroquel is a pretty fantastic drug. Treats schizophrenia … helps with mood … helps with anxiety … helps with sleep.

And in the prison system - they break it down into a powder and snort it. It’s called “Goose Berries” in the prison system. GREAT DRUG!

I love it!!!

Sorry to tell you this, but based on what you’ve been posting here, the meditation doesn’t seem to be working

Sadly, a pretty typical claim made by the mentally ill. 85% voice free means the voices are present 15% of the time . Closer to 30% if sleep times are ignored. Not impressive.

My understanding is that schizophrenia can be managed, but it’s a life time commitment and needs to be monitored.

Going by your posts, your illness is not being managed well.

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To be fair other than mental health professionals and those who suffer from schizophrenia, who does?

We don’t have to accept anything, that’s a given. Especially in the absence of any objective evidence.

Explain what, hallucination seeming real to someone with schizophrenia? Best direct that question at thosexqualified to answer it, as atheists have no reason per se to know this.

Again you need to see a doctor qualified to treat schizophrenia, and take whatever medication they recommend to control your symptoms.

Ratty: I hear the voice of a demon.
Scientist: Okay.
Ratty: How do you explain that.
Scientist: Explain what?
Ratty: Explain the fact that I hear the voice of a demon.
Scientist: Is it a fact?
Ratty: It is to me.
Scientist: What makes it a fact?
Ratty: What are you talking about?
Scientist: Well, facts are things that are known or are demonstrated to be true. We know things are true or factual through independent verification. So, who else has heard this thing you speak of, have you recorded it?
Ratty: No, it is in my head.
Scientist: Is it in your head or is it your head?
Ratty: What? It’s real! I hear it?
Scientist: Do people hear things that are not real?
Ratty: Huh?
Scientist: Are there people in the world that hear things that are not real?
Ratty: I guess so, but it would be real to them.
Scientist: That is a subjective experience, not reality. It has no effect on the world around us and can not be validated in any way. That which is real comports with reality. How do you know it is a voice and not just your brain making a voice? How can you tell the difference?
Ratty: I hear it. It is a voice.
Scientist: Yes. You are experiencing a voice. The question is whether or not it is real. If it is a real voice, then I should be able to hear it too. That which is real can be verified. It is not a subjective experience. It comports with reality. Your subjective experience only qualifies you for the psych ward. Lots of people in the psych ward have experiences like yours.
Ratty: So how do you explain it?
Scientist: Explain what?
Ratty: The voice I hear?
Scientist: We just went over this. How do you know you hear it? Do you hear it or is it being generated by your brain.
Ratty: I hear it.
Scientist: And if it is real, I should be able to hear it too. Why don’t you bring it by and I will have a listen.
Ratty: You can’t hear it.
Scientist: Then I am not interested.
Ratty: So why do I hear it?
Scientist: Do you hear it?
Ratty: Yes.
Scientist: How do you know? Looks to me like it really isn’t there at all. All I have is your word that you hear it…

bla bla bla bla bla…

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@rat_spit I have a degree in Religious Studies, with an area of specialty in Hinduism and Buddhism, and, I recently got into Buddhism, which has helped a lot with my anger problems, resulting in me being more peaceful, calm and happy, so it does help.

Sorry @Cognostic… LMAO!

Buddhism helps? A belief in Nirvana. Karma? An 8 fold path? Circular reasoning.

Or sitting quietly in meditation helps… not Buddhist, not Hindu, not American Indian, not Inuit, not Dervish, not Egyptian, certainly not early Christian, but HUMAN and you happened to run across it in a belief system called Buddhism.

@Cognostic It has actually helped me. I used to be a very angry, irritable person back then, but it has helped tp calm me down. I no longer have anger issues, and every day, I am feeling increasingly calm and peaceful, both inside and out. I am also less emotionally reactive.

Your posts used to anger and annoy me, but no more.

So yeah, Buddhism has helped me, as is meditation by itself. It may not be for you, and that’s ok.

Karma is a shit belief and directly responsible for suffering all across Asia. How has that helped you?

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You think you can die and be reborn? What other unfounded woo woo superstitions do you believe in. Are you going to set yourself on fire for a good cause to gain good Karma?

You have helped yourself calm down and find more peace using a religious tool called Buddhism.

Some people use drugs or alcohol or shopping or gambling or other religions or walks or whatever.

Take responsibility. You are calming yourself down using a tool. No different than building something using a hammer :hammer:. The hammer itself isn’t special. The hammer doesn’t build or fix. The person using the tool does the work.

Take credit.

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