Atheists in the building, lets deal with this

If you’ve still not taken notice of your immaterial part you’ve had all your life, even presented in the questions and rather await a scientific paper, you may never till you leave earth. Denial’s that much a bitch.

Pass the buck was always your fav sport. If you live long enough, might end up the G.O.A.T and then ‘pass’ on to face reality in afterlife.

Smh. Had you learnt to always adhere strictly to logic than occasional bandwagonism , you’d never have fallen prey to human prejudice in Dover, which btw, has been upset by recent findings covered in Behe’s Edge of Evolution and Spencer’s latest works as well as since ever. Why I said you’ve got to develop a mind of your own and stop droning for MSM. Anything handled by humans gets tinged with politics, even science. Only unadulterated logic and science, not scientist’s biases, will survive time in this domain. Uphold logic, even if left all alone. Too, understand better the fraudulent trial by Judge Jones’ Dover Trial Myths and learn why Behe’s work is one of the 100 most important of the 20th century Behe Interview and why there is a growing scientific movement, Revolution
You’ve also shown quite clearly that asides the ersatz straw man narrative of biased scientists and MSM, you don’t understand ID tenets, which btw, you don’t get from arguing irrational ‘creationists’ but from ID institute.
Like I advised then, before arguing against a concept, go to source. Understand Real ID
Point of correction, biased scientists flushed ID down their toilet minds. Logic itself, is always ID’s baby which I show at the bottom as well as here. ID in Science . Be bold and look truth in the face, don’t shy away from these articles like last time.

LMAO. Try enlightening your crew who try to discard ID, theorising gene origins from RNA world due to unguided chemical evo in the ‘primordial soup’, LMAO, and consequent GPE, as the setting of bio evo. Without such anti-ID evo rhetoric, there shouldn’t be much of a debate and what you’ve been doing here would be pointless since it does not discard ID.

Always remember - source! - Heb 11:1

No wonder you never found faith. Smh. You were twiddling with imaginary friends, ignoring realities inside you, waiting for a scientific paper on them. Had you guys not chickened out on the ten questions, you’d have been dealing with those realities and also seen that science can NEVER be the full body of knowledge in our existence. It is only the inner realities that can guide you to the realisation of their creator.

One other thing, Cali, to take to bed tonight. I usually tell y’all who reject ID for not being demonstrable in the lab, Logic is never on your side.
Consider. If the SM and logic, developed by humans, is systematic, principled and purposeful, hence considered intelligent and reliable methods, doesn’t that tell of intelligence in humanity that developed them?
Of course, but did we test the claim in a lab?
Likewise shouldn’t we determine intelligence in nature from the observation of such systematic, principled existence and relationships in creation with an obvious purpose of sustenance? Do we actually have to take that to a lab?
Equally hypocritical that we’d invest so much intelligence to create a robot after human image and turn around and say there’s no ID behind human design. LMAO.
Denial’s a bitch and will at some point, deny even her staunchest loyalists. Pray tell, denial can’t suck any less even with myriad of fellows riding along in that train.

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Your response to a science topic is “you gotta have faith”?


What objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity.


Like all creationists he’s been brainwashed, and doesn’t have even the most rudimentary grasp of science, its methodology, or even understand the meaning of basic scientific terms like scientific theories and laws.

It’s sad and laughable in equal measure.

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Awww :blush: we’re back to your “claim”. Remember???

POST 93… POST 63 & 42 … POST 16

YOU copying god??? Keep a person waiting to back your claims??? THEN you have the gall to quote from the buybull??? YOU can’t even establish it has any authority!

You spent time finding stuff in the net to copy and paste and rework so you could take on Cali? Laughable!!!

YOUR god is imperfect, forgetful and doesn’t follow through with “said promises” - from your own book :open_book:

No wonder you just want people to have “faith” which is btw another word for GULLIBLE.

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15 scientific answers to creationist lies,

Again I can only encourage @Sorrentino to try and reverse the damage that creationist indoctrination has clearly done, by educating himself.

I got a dollar and a nice ripe yellow banana that says it aint gonna happen.

What we have seen is references to creationist web sites and authors, failed logic, and “in case of emergency, reference the bible”.

No bet, I’ve been here too many times before…

Or so you merely blindly assert, as is always the case with mythology fanboys …

Denial would appear to be your speciality here …

Ah, ad hominem and lies. Which have always been your favourite sport.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Always assuming the merely asserted afterlife, is something other than the product of your rectal passage of course …

Plus, I’m still waiting for you to provide something other than blind assertions, duplicitous apologetic fabrications and pompously hubristic bluster, to support the idea that your cartoon magic man from your sad little goat herder mythology, is something other than the product of the rectal passage of piss-stained Bronze Age incels, who were too stupid to count correctly the number of legs that an insect possesses, and who thought genetics was controlled by coloured sticks. Oh wait, why was your cartoon magic man incapable of correcting these manifest and risible errors?


The only “prejudice” on display there, was that of the IDiots. Or did you fail to notice Behe having his arse cheeks handed to him, stir fried in rationalist napalm and garnished with a large spicing of scientific pwnage?

What was it the cross-examining attorney said at one point? “I’m taking this deposition in the 21st century, not the 15th?”

As for bandwagons, ID is the mother of all fucking bandwagons, cobbled together in order to try and slip creationist bullshit into science classes under the radar, which it failed to do because of such embarrassments as the leaking of the Wedge Strategy document, and the hilarity known as “cdesign proponentsists”, an example of a transitional fossil created by creationists.

Don’t even bother trying to lie about the Dover Trial, because I have all the transcripts, including the 127 page summing up by Judge Jones, who, as a church-going conservative Republican, found the lies of the IDiots too much to stomach. Or did you forget that little detail before launching into your tedious little diatribe? By the way, posting links from Dumbski’s blog and other disreputable sources merely informs those of us who paid attention in class, about your agenda, which is to be a shill for the Duplicity Institute.


Fucking dream on.

Behe’s bullshit was dissected and shredded by actual knowledgeable biologists within a week of the publication of that fatuous little tome.

Wow, just when I thought your hubris couldn’t be any more gigantic in scale, you post this. Which is fucking rich coming from someone who manifestly never had a mind of his own, and whose possession of a mind in itself is debatable.

In the latter case, only when duplicitous stormtroopers for mythology-based masturbation fantasies play mendacious apologetics with science.

As for your pompous and bombastic posturings about “logic”, you manifestly wouldn’t know what logic was if it dropped a fucking MOAB on your head from 40,000 feet. Oh wait, when I attended classes in this, the curriculum was taken straight from Methods of Logic by Willard Van Ormand Quine, one of the finest analytical minds in the business.

Meanwhile, reading the Wedge Strategy document told me all I needed to know about the IDiot agenda, an agenda based upon lies and deception in order to sneak creotard fantasies into American science classrooms.

Once again , you’re a lightweight and a dilettante here.

And the fact that the scientific papers in this field are published in organic chemistry journals, is an elementary fact that flew right over your head?

Do fuck off with your worthless “faith”. If “faith” produces lying sacks of shit like you, I’m glad I never had it.

Actually, the entities and interactions in the scientific papers I’ve read aren’t imaginary, unlike your sad little cartoon Donald Trump in the sky, invented as a political “justification” for bloody Lebensraum wars by piss-stained goat herders. Along with at least one instance of kidnapping underage girls as sex slaves, which your cartoon magic man, if it ever existed, was apparently quite happy with.

Indeed, given the number of “megachurch pastors” I’ve seen reported in the news, being arrested for playing “Hide the Sausage” with 12 year old girls, and having read the account of the mythology fanboy known as Dennis Rader, who used parts of your mythology to “justify” his sickening torture and sex murder of an 11 year old girl, I’m tempted to ask if fantasies involving fucking and torturing underage girls are the real motivation behind your brand of mythology fanboyism. Is that why you cling to this shitty little mythology and its mixture of farcical and iniquitous assertions? Because you’re a Torquemada wannabee who can’t wait to start pursuing his own anachronistic Inquisition, with a side salad of de Sade’s Justine for good measure?

Oh, you mean the way you chickened out of mine, before hypocritically demanding that I waste time with yours?

Fuck off.

You’ve never deal in realities since you began your sordid posting career here.

As opposed to masturbation fantasies derived from goat herder mythologies, which will NEVER be a body of knowledge at all …

Like pissing in the wind do you?

Your “creator” is fucking fiction. It’s a toddler security blanket for inadequates. Trying to deal with your impotent rage, by harbouring creepy theocratic fantasies that should be of interest to law enforcement, are you?

Bullshit. Both logic AND empirical data are on our side. Keep pretending that your wank fantasy is something other than a wank fantasy though …

Oh look, it’s wank break apologetics time again, and a rehash of Dumbski’s “we don’t need that pathetic level of detail” piece of drivel.

What part of “Just because the behaviour of physical systems requires intellectual effort to deduce, doesn’t mean that those systems are themselves intelligent” are you too stupid to understand? Gravity is as mindless a force as one could wish for, but it made you possible. Which is probably yet more testament to the mindlessness thereof.

Grow the fuck up.


I suspect the wait will continue.

Gravity is as mindless a force as one could wish for, but it made you possible. Which is probably yet more testament to the mindlessness thereof.

Quality, made me laugh out loud, have a like sir. :laughing:

Again judging from Sorrentino’s posts I feel this will be a long wait.

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Excuse me and sorry to cut in.

It took too much for me to understand some certain aspects of the atheist, but I must ask, what your proof is that the Christian god is real?

Sure I admit that there’s no proof a god does not exist, but what proof do you have that the Christian god does exist?

Is it because the Christian bible says so?

Fievelj "We are really trying to get you on board here.

“No good evidence.”

Eschew the proof claim and start looking at and evaluating evidence.

There is no good evidence for the existence of a god. By ‘good’ we refer to that which can stand against critical inquiry and evaluation. Evidence that is repeatable, consistent and reliable and to some degree at least, testable.

Hey @Sorrentino

I’m moving ahead while you keep making your buybull claims…

Let’s move onto Numbers and discuss the truthful, loving qualities of YOUR god - I’ll refer to it as “J” (for Jehovah or Jesus or both -if you’re of that mindset). The book of Numbers is interesting.

Leaving off poor Joshua and the unfulfilled promise of having cleared the land (oops J took another look and saw he did a piss poor job), we’ll go back in time to Moses leading the Israelites to the Moab border.

Now J talks to anyone he wants ‘cause he’s J! Even though divination is apparently against his law for the Israelites, it’s OK for outsiders and he gladly gives advice and guidance (depending on his mood, I guess). Deuteronomy 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft;).

So J talks with Balaam- gives him info and Balaam gets paid a fee for his “divining services”…Numbers 22:4 So Balak son of Zippor, who was king of Moab at that time, 5 sent messengers to summon Balaam son of Beor …For I know that whoever you bless is blessed, and whoever you curse is cursed.”

So Balaam goes and talks with J (in private)…9 God came to Balaam and asked, “Who are these men with you?” hahahaha DOESN’T THE ALL KNOWING J KNOW???
10 Balaam said to God, “Balak son of Zippor, king of Moab, sent me this message: 11 ‘A people that has come out of Egypt covers the face of the land. Now come and put a curse on them for me. Perhaps then I will be able to fight them and drive them away.’”
12 But God said to Balaam, “Do not go with them. You must not put a curse on those people, because they are blessed.”

I gotta stop for a quick second. J says they’re “blessed”! WTF??? NOT by human standards - J had let them thirst and go hungry and sent snakes when they complained about it (Numbers 21) Can’t imagine doing this to my boys and then saying “they’re blessed”.

OK back to Balaam. He listens to J and tells them to go back by themselves. He’s not going to go with them. He’s a good diviner!

Balak sweetens the “pot”, going to pay Balaam handsomely, and sends even more distinguished reps to, you know, influence him - make Balaam feel special and needed, etc.

Vs 18. But Balaam answered them, “Even if Balak gave me all the silver and gold in his palace, I could not do anything great or small to go beyond the command of the Lord my God. 19 Now spend the night here so that I can find out what else the Lord will tell me.”

Oh my!!! J changes his mind (or maybe he forgot) BUT now
20 That night God came to Balaam and said, “Since these men have come to summon you, go with them, but do only what I tell you.”



22 But God was very angry when he went,

Whaaaaa??? Huh??? First, don’t go. Balaam listens and obeys- then go- Balaam listens and obeys …and now J is mad that Balaam is doing what J said to do???

This is the part where an angel is sent and the donkey keeps avoiding it and Balaam keeps beating it…etc until…

28 Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
29 Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.

OMFG!!! Seriously? A fucking donkey just fucking talked to you AND this is the reaction??? Holy shit. If my dog talked to me, HOLY FUCK! Anyway, after a little explaining from the donkey and Balaam seeing the angel he now is told by the angel…

35 The angel of the Lord said to Balaam, “Go with the men, but speak only what I tell you.” So Balaam went with Balak’s officials.

Uh, OK??? Wasn’t that what Balaam was doing before J had his brain burp - temper tantrum???

Balak meets Balaam, and Balaam is honest (vs 38) Balaam replied. “But I can’t say whatever I please. I must speak only what God puts in my mouth.”(AM)

Numbers 23 has the messages … BUT this is the funny part!!!

Balak asked him, “What did the Lord say?”
18 Then he spoke his message:
“Arise, Balak, and listen;
hear me, son of Zippor.
God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
I have received a command to bless;
he has blessed, and I cannot change it.
“No misfortune is seen in Jacob,
no misery observed in Israel.
The Lord their God is with them;

Hahahahaha!!! OMG please! No misery observed in Israel??? Really??? Thirst, hunger and death by snake :snake: isn’t misery??? Hahahahaha! Doesn’t change his mind like a human??? Hahahahahaha! J had changed his mind and forgot shit with Balaam in just sending him to Balak!

Also here’s the kicker! Balaam, a non-Israelite prophet, is held as an example of one who apostasized for the sake of material gain. Whaaaaa??? Seriously. 2 Peter 2:15 “They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness."

Hahahahaha. First, what wickedness? Listening to J? Obeying J? Second, he didn’t apostatize, he wasn’t even an Israelite.

What a crock of fucking shit.


He he he he he he he … loosen those panties White! LOL

In a word, right.

Thanks Cog, but was talking to that other guy.

Your sententious self congratulatory tone is sadly misplaced if you imagine we won’t notice your evasion there, at Calilasseia calling you on your pathetic lie. Theists are forever telling me why they think I am an atheist, yet not one has ever presented a shred of objective evidence, or any rational argument as to why I should be otherwise. All you have presented is an endless god of the gaps polemic, if that’s the best you have, and it must be as you’ve presented naught else, then it’s sad you can’t see how risible it is to base a belief on such an empty bag.


C’mon Cali, quit already with the disingenuous presentation of yourself as the keen seeker of this knowledge. You’ve taken your stand that you will never go through the path offered to know faith so let’s give it a rest.

LMAO. And having the 127 page transcript automatically makes you a qualified analyst. You obviously don’t know what to do with it. I dare you to invalidate the points in the given review of the trial. That’s how to logically make your case.

The usual huff-puff, LMAO. Always skimming through materials on sites without any in-depth understanding of subjects. Science ain’t politics but is objective. Critiques don’t invalidate a position, not even by larger numbers. Both theory and critiques are thoroughly analysed, with back and forths and in the end, only the more logical stand. You ought to have learnt that by now from the theory vs theory lesson. After all back and forths, Behe has successfully challenged a pillar of Darwinism, random mutation by demonstrating its impracticability. FYI, that upholds ID and deals a huge blow to Darwinism.

Not all are. Neither is any of your immaterial part though never to be found in scientific papers. You’ve often investigated one but refused doing the other.

I have no idea about this imaginary friend of yours. My advice: investigate your real immaterial parts accessible to you and forget the imaginary.

Had you faith, you’d know to distinguish creator’s ways from religious dogmas and manipulations and concupiscent passions of professors. He demands faith, justice, mercy…only. Learn from the life of Jesus Christ, creator-incarnate, the divine mind and its antagonism to even religious sects derived from his own constitution for not meeting his standards and you could guess his disposition towards today’s vile christianity.
And if you’re doing dirty linen, you’ve only scratched the surface. Even more base and vile atrocities than you know are committed under ‘christianity’. This is nothing new, men muddy everything given to them, even pure science, for their unquantifiable frailties and selfish interests. Any wolf can put on Episcopal regalia and any can be an assembly. Also the sheep can fall into error ignorantly or rebel altogether but creator knows his own by his standards 2Tim 2:19-20 and he’s not the least bothered that His name is dragged in the mud by any category of men.
He set the world under laws of equilibrium, the immutability and perfection of which proves his faithfulness. Newton states it as “action and reaction are equal and opposite” and in his appointed time to judge the whole world, all brutes and faithless will get served while his repentant sheep will get mercy for he is no respecter of persons nor of even christianity. Think then, only of your standing for justice will uphold itself.

Though you’ve demonstrated logical ineptitude by claiming evolutionism is an irrevocable absolute in spite of its loopholes and gaps and also lumping ID with religion and deities though having naught to do with it, here I assume you didn’t understand my argument and is particularly why I deemed it courteous to you to reply your post.
Let’s break it down. Objects themselves don’t have to be intelligent, but relationships between them are principled and structured rather than haphazard. A gem may not be intelligent, but the formation of gems under constant and defined pattern is where lies the intelligence as it always takes the same set of conditions to produce them. The planetary bodies may not be intelligent but being sustained under defined order e.g. gravity and interplanetary laws, there lies the intelligence. Even the molecular structure of each object is very organised and structured, nothing haphazard and all this order has the purpose of sustaining their existence.
Science is the study of these universal laws and order. Order towards purpose is hallmark of intelligence. Each time we identify this, we automatically admit ID, even if an evolutionist. The only question ID asks is can we identify order, laws, principles? Just like if principles undergird logic and SM, it’s because we who created the structure think in a structured way i.e. intelligently.
It’s also by these identified principles that we build robots to execute our intentions and in hypocrisy, we call that AI, fcol. Funny how you avoided the part of AI being designed after human body systems. What better way for the scientists to admit intelligence in the design of the human entity? all proving ID. If intelligence is found in human design, equally in other creation, then the creator possesses intelligence and coordinated thought.