Atheist, Agnostic, Apostate Political Consolidation

[Sheldon]

@Muntakim.avenginggod

The Democratic party is a party that actively panders to groups that openly advocate for the execution of apostates and atheists and doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of a larger set of its voters,

Evidence please, and accurately define your phrase “actively panders to” as it is so vague it is almost meaningless here. You seem to still be dealing in sweeping absolute claims, supported by vague or facile generalisations.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

Islam gets clear representation, but AAAs can’t?

I think this error you keep making has been explained enough times by now surely, atheists are not an homogenous group and appealing to to their vote would likely cover a wide variety of political views. Also please explain in what way “Islam gets clear representation” as again this is extremely vague. What exactly are you claiming “Islam” gets, and from whom, and please demonstrate some objective evidence to support your claim.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

The entire strategy of the democratic party has been based on representation and identity and yet they have you convinced that they don’t need to do any of that for you,

Oh dear, are you seriously telling others what they are convinced of, that’s just asinine hyperbole. What exactly is it you’re claiming atheists are missing out on here? When you have accurately explained and evidenced that, you can explain how you think you know atheists are convinced major politicle parties are offering this to “Islam” and not the “atheists”.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

It could be that you don’t put much weight into being an atheist, which is fine, but I do.

Do you put much weight in not believing in mermaids? What does your “putting much weight in not believing in deities” involve exactly?

@Muntakim.avenginggod

it has actively made my life more difficult being open about it. If this hasn’t happened to someone else it’s perfectly understandable to take it for granted,

Or if it comes easy maybe there is nothing to take for granted. Perhaps you ought to consider that atheists can be very different people, beyond their lack of theistic belief.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

It feels like a fair assumption that most AAAs in the US would be opposed to Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christians backed (and represented) Republicans,

What do you mean by “opposed to”? I imagine most would be opposed to legislation that interfered with the constitutional separation of church and state, though this would not necessarily mean they are not Republicans or that they don’t share right wing conservative political views.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

so shouldn’t all AAAs be voting for the Democrats?

No obviously, as who a person votes for would be more complex than simply lacking religious or theistic belief, even in the US I’d imagine. Even if you could show there was a broad affiliation between being an atheist (in the US) and voting Democrat, this doesn’t mean you can assume all atheists (in the US), share those political views. You are making a false equivalence here I think.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

the world is not a better place because a democrat or republican sits in the white house

That would likely be influenced by the Republican or Democrat in that office, and by a myriad of other factors, not least what one meant by the subjective notion of “a better world”. Why would you assume that notion is the same among all atheists?

[Cognostic]

@Sheldon

Evidence please,

Evidence? H don’t need no stinking evidence!

@Muntakim.avenginggod

Islam gets clear representation, but AAAs can’t?

Since our founding in 2002, the goal of the Secular Coalition has been to provide nontheistic Americans a unified voice in Washington. Today, we continue this mission by facilitating cooperation and strategic coordination between our 21 member organizations. Additionally, our member organizations provide valuable input on our Model Secular Policy Guide as well as our Legislative and Executive Branch Agenda (LEBA).

What is the political organization for atheists?

American Atheists is a non-profit organization in the United States dedicated to defending the civil liberties of atheists and advocating complete separation of church and state. It provides speakers for colleges, universities, clubs, and the news media.

Atheist Republic is the world’s largest atheist organization with local chapters called consulates all over the world.

It’s like talking to a banana peel. The difference is that the banana peel will eventually rot and just go away,

[Sheldon]

@Sheldon

@Muntakim.avenginggod

Why are you having so much difficulty with the concept of political empowerment?

firstly atheists are not really a group, as has been explained they are a diverse collection of people with wildly differing views across a range of social and political ideas.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

Dude, the diversity doesn’t divide AAAs, not from what I have seen.

Goal posts ahoy, read your question again, then read my response again, then try and grasp why a diversity of (political) views might be a barrier to this vague notion you are peddling of political empowerment among that group of diverse political vies. Lets try this, a far larger group would be people who don’t believe mermaids are real, why do you imagine there would be any difficulty with the concept of political empowerment of that group?

@Muntakim.avenginggod

do you feel enough is being done to unify atheists

I don’t even understand what the statement means, here try this:

“Do you feel enough is being done to unify people who don’t believe dragons exist?”

@Muntakim.avenginggod

I am using other religious groups and political movements as references but can you really say AAAs are soooooooo different from them that none of the things that worked for them will work for us?

or for those who don’t believe in unicorns, why are you wasting your time here, target that massive group since their political clout would demonstrably be massively larger.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

I am not even concerned about that at this point, I am more concerned about the reluctance really.

So you’re not concerned, except where you are concerned, groovy.

@Muntakim.avenginggod

I don’t see basic signs of coalition among AAAs which shouldn’t be the case.

Do you see any coalition among people who don’t believe in the Loch Ness Monster? Why in your opinion should that be any less the case than among atheists?