Well technically we were from the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, but to be Luxembourgish is for basically no one to know WTF you are talking about, so we said we were German because it was just easier to explain, and anyway, when my ancestors came here, Luxembourg was part of Germany (it has been at various times independent as it is now, or part of Germany, Belgium and/or France).
My father was born in 1915 and told me he remembered as a child that “the old timers” still spoke Luxembourgish among themselves. He could understand it but not speak it or read it. It was, predictably, a fusion of all the languages from the countries mentioned above.
The joke is that if you are from Luxembourg you’re either a farmer or a banker; my family were farmers. Our family surname is also well-represented in NW Germany.
Any land which has been settled, conquered, colonized, or otherwise “made theirs” over the course of some definable amount of time. This amount of time would be relative to the amount of breeding which goes on within the population and the time it takes.
And what word do you use when you’re classifying the physical, behavioural and cultural traits of a group or tribe of people who have been isolated in one geographical location for thousands of years and who interbreed among each other to the extent that their collective DNA profiles are representative of said physical and behavioural and cultural traits?
It’s not simply skin colour. DNA determines many other physical traits (such as facial features, height, behavioural tendencies). And along with a loss of unique DNA profiles which have been closely selected over thousands of years due to geographical isolation, you have the entire history of that unique DNA population profile disappearing and not being represented in the gene pool. People of European descent are not witnessing a “mixing bowl” of interbreeding with the type of mass migration we’re seeing today. Instead they’re seeing people from other genetic traditions coming into their native lands, settling, and then having more children there compared to their own reproductive output. The Europeans are being conquered for lack of a better term.
Diversity is strength. There’s room for everyone at the table. We learn from each other.
You are succumbing to the siren call of authoritarians everywhere – that idea that your problems are all solved by getting rid of this or that scapegoat.
Well I sure as hell wouldn’t choose a color for that word. Using “white” is even worse, since human beings typically aren’t white, even the ones who say they are. Why not just use the name of the one geographic location you mentioned?
I don’t hate anyone. If anything, white peoples brought this on themselves, what with the Industrial Revolution being closely linked to lower fertility rates, the removal of females from roles as caregivers, the ruthless enslavement of industrialized societies to their technocratic rulers. It was just a matter of time before we were replaced.
Yeah. You’re right in a sense. Authoritarian powers have enslaved the west to the almighty dollar. Western civilization has lost sight of any kind of fair or equitable society. Maybe it is best if we just disappear.
“White” just holds the nuance of referring to European Ancestry. That’s all I meant. I don’t know what you meant, but I don’t think you’re reading into what I’m saying the way I’m saying it.
Why not use the name of the geographical location? Sure. Okay. Europe. Parts of Russia. Etcetera.
Then you don’t know what extinction means, and in all your excitement you forgot to offer a shred of evidence for this rather silly claim. FYI all humans originally looked like modern Africans, shouldn’t they be bitching about the swing to reduced melanin, not to mention the disproportionate amount of wealth and power people with white skin have and exert?
I think that’s possibly one of the stupidest claims I have heard, do you start to panick when you get a bit of a tan?
But only if white people are doing the colonising it seems.
Very scientific. (NB that’s sarcasm).
It depends how racist you want to be I suppose, but if they were for example from Nigeria, I’d say Nigerians, from Wales, I’d say Welsh, from Texas I’d say Texans, that sort of thing really.
Well you’ve gone and done it, and made an even stupider comment, kudos of a kind is due for that I suppose.
Could we solve this by subjugating women and making them brood mares, like they do in A Handmaid’s Tale? Do you even read through this stuff before posting it man?
That’s a metaphor, real enslavement is a little more appalling than a working week and a pay check at the end.
Every single human who ever lived disappears, they always have, and every species will eventually go extinct, this is unavoidable, arguing about how much melanin the majority should have is the stupidest idea I can imagine.
OK, I may regret this but I have to ask, what if anything are you suggesting be done to alleviate your dismay at your perceived reduction in the amount of people with white skin?
Follow up question would it be ok for countries to do the reverse where the ancestors of those countries were almost universally dark skinned?
One last question, what happens if someone you perceive as white skinned gets a real heavy tan?
Not quite. Modern Africans vary a lot in outward appearance. For example, the San people of Southern Africa (which evidence suggests is the oldest currently living homo sapiens variation, with a divergence from other human populations of at least 100k years) are fairly fair-skinned, while South Sudanese people tend to be very dark-skinned. If you make a cross section across an African country, you can sometimes see big variations from village to village, depending on which tribe has traditionally lived there, and where they migrated from. In fact, the DNA variation within Africans is bigger than within the human populations of the rest of the world. Which is quite natural, in that the human race originated on the continent, and thus the DNA varieties flowing out with migrations only represented a small subset of what was available.
Therefore we have the subtle but important distinction that all humans have evolved from the same proto-humans. But the common ancestor of modern Africans is older than the common ancestor of the humans in the rest of the world. But all humans share the common ancestor of modern Africans.
I’ll forgive you I guess because you’re autistic. Okay, Shelly. When I say “white” I mean “European Ancestry”. Okay, little guy? Does that make sense? There’s a good chap. Go play in the sandbox with the other children.
Assumption. Wrong. North America is being colonized by Hispanic, Chinese, and South Asian Races. If they successfully take over the land then it is theirs.
Feel free to come up with your own criteria.
Actually sounds about right. Correct me if you were being totally sarcastic. But I agree with this statement.
Awe. Now you’re just being mean. Good work though, Shelly. I don’t know what would happen to AR without you gatekeeping all the comments that weren’t addressed to you. Do you ever get tired of stealing other people’s thunder? Honest question…
Unpopular opinion. The western world was a better place when children had mothers who took care of them. Prove me wrong.
Except that you’re also paying off the debt your government owes to its creditors with the taxes that you pay on every penny of your hard earned money - thus making you a wage slave to your government. Sort of off topic but relevant also to why the white race is dying and not repopulating. It’s all by design. And yes. I can get stupider and no, I don’t think before I speak.
Well, most humans, when not oppressed heavily by their rulers, get a chance at a happy life with a homestead and a children. Most humans, when not overrun by mass migrants, get a chance at a happy life and a homestead and children to raise and be proud of. There was also a time when there existed an idea that the human race might venture out into the galaxy and colonize it. Seems that dream is over before it began.
Thanks for asking. This is a three part answer which I’ve been documenting on my own time in my Manifesto I call “the resurgence of the white peoples”. I’ll copy and paste it in full here. Just … ah … the forum won’t let me paste 300,000 words. Okay. Here’s the gist.
we need to find an alternative to money. We need to make resources available to everyone. And somehow the wealthy elite need to be stopped.
To do the reverse of what I’ve just suggested? No. They should also have an alternative to money, access to resources, and less oppression from the rich. I don’t care if non-white people do well in the world. I’m not a bloody racist!
That’s it. They’re done. They’re out of the fold. They’re sent immediately to Barbados to live in exile.
So it seems people with light skin don’t qualify as a race under your system since they don’t come from one geographical location. Sorry to ruin your persecution fantasy.
I think Europe would qualify as the one geographical location where the gene for light skin originated? No? And then people in North America today are descendants of Europeans? Isn’t that the basic understanding?
It’s not semantics, and that is deflection, biologically race does not exist, it’s a social construct. Like describing people based on the amount of melanin in their skin, it is generally problematic, as it can harp tp prejudices and bigotries that have no biological basis. That’s why claims like “the white race” is under threat, are risible.
Deflection, and this is another unevidenced claim, used to prop up the first unevidenced claim, not very impressive.
Or we accept that gross injustices of the past should not be used to stoke prejudices now, and instead try harder to treat all people the same, regardless of their disparate appearance.
Deflection and ad hominem, it remains a stupid claim.
Then why all the bitching? FYI if this rather simplistic claim was true, they’d just be Americans.
Deflection and you’re edging towards an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.
Good then we can agree that no one is under threat, if the appearance of the majority of people of a country or continent changes.
I can’t imagine anything significant would happen.
Quite often, I am of an age.
It’s your claim prove it right, and just so you understand better here is entirely subjective. If we look back just 100 years I’d bet I can list half a dozen things that have vastly improved. Once you evidence your claim, I might take a crack at that. Until then it gets the old liar liar pants on fire response it deserves.
Still the same metaphor, and it is worth every penny to have the welfare state, the NHS and pay back the rich USA for their help that enabled the UK to stand alone against Hitler and the Nazis for 2 years.
No such thing as a white race. This sounds more and more like one of those old KKK rallies, the claims remain idiotically dubious, and biologically risible.
Goal posts ahoy, and a false dichotomy.
I see two claims, I see no evidence for either, like Hitler blaming all the ills of Germany on a demographic he despised, it has no real substantive truth, it’s rhetoric used to demonise a particular demographic, again much as Hitler did, there you Godwin’s law for you.
Catchy, I can almost smell the burning crosses.
Such as?
What resources and why, stopped how / from doing what?
You seem to have completely lost your original claim here, as this appears to have real relevance.
So, adopting your definition of “native lands”, all that’s needed is to show up and wipe out 90% of an indigenous population, thereby appropriating 95% of their land…and it’s yours in perpetuity…EOL.
How then, are the Americans who arrived here in a forced migration from Africa not entitled to the same claim? Why are the 400 years of their generational “amount of breeding” dismissed off hand?
Why is the flight from violence, economic hardship and climate effected lands any less pertinent to a “settlement” claim…merely because it came from Central and South America and not western Europe?
So much to unpack… Let’s start with DNA. DNA does influence behavior in that it controls the production and control of neurotransmitters and hormones. It also has an effect on the development of the prefrontal cortex. It is more of a determinant of who you are versus what you are.
The field of Epigenetics posits that environment has an effect on what genes are turned “on” or “off”. In other words, “Genetics loads the gun, but the environment pulls the trigger.”
None of this speaks to identity. Identity is a group or cultural dynamic.
In so far as “people of European descent” being diminished within the collective gene pool…this is really a non sequiter.
Geneticists suggest each child born has between 60-100 genetic mutations present. Assuming there have been around 12,000 generations of homo sapiens born this brings you to over 88 million identified genetic mutations. Within all of this, the similarities between any two homo sapiens on this planet is still 99.9%
It would be incorrect to see cultural genetic infusion as tantamount to being conquered. Only around 1.5%-7% of our genome is uniquely modern human. the majority of it is shared with Neanderthals or Denisovans…
To be precise, of the 300,000 years homo sapiens have been knocking around this planet, what you define as the “white race” is a relatively recent mutation encompassing roughly .05% of our evolutionary time span as a species.
Let me steal a chart to illustrate:
Summary Table: The “White” Recipe
Feature
Gene
Ancient Source
Arrival in Europe
Blue Eyes
HERC2
Hunter-Gatherers
~14,000 years ago
Light Skin
SLC24A5
Anatolian Farmers
~8,000 years ago
Pale Skin
SLC45A2
Middle Eastern/Steppe
~5,000 years ago
Blonde Hair
KITLG
Steppe Herders
~4,500 years ago
These 4 genes, along with around 15 others contribute to what you define as white European descendants. That’s around 0.0003% of the 63000 identified genes with the human genome.
Ironically, if it weren’t for mass migrations and interbreeding of humans 15000 years ago, there might not be any white people today to fear an existential crisis of identity.
I’m guessing you won’t answer this question, but here goes. Let’s say you’re asked to guess the origin of three people. One from Japan, one from Korea, and one from China. You can’t ask questions. Will you be using social constructs or physical appearance to make your determination?
Sure. That’s fine. Let’s all try to get along.
The bitching is caused by you assuming that I differentiate between people based on the colour of their skin. I don’t.
Uh, no. I won’t be agreeing with you on that or discussing the possibility any further as ive been informed that it breaches on extreme right wing ideologies not accepted here.
I’d rather not get kicked off the board, so we’ll leave it at that.
Ironic, isn’t it?
Just came back from a trip to Spain in October. Saw a very interesting diversity in phenotypes. Very beautiful country. Beautiful people, amazing food, amazing history. Everything. Loved it.
