A Walk Down Memory Lane

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  1. Flagrant violations of email protocol while secretary of state, something any underling would have surely been fired for if not prosecuted over. We may never know what classified secrets were hacked by hostile nations.

TRUMP - …we may never know the scale of National Security breaches via his “business dealings” and financial obligations to hostile nations.

  1. She switches positions when it’s to her political advantage. In 2000 she opposed same-sex marriage, now she’s for it. She voted for the Iraq War in 2002, then later campaigned against it. Favored the Cuban embargo in 2000, then later opposed it. The list goes on.

TRUMP -…In his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump promised protection for entitlements for the elderly - whom he has labeled as “virtually nobody”; Politico has described his positions as “eclectic, improvisational and often contradictory.” Will the real Donald Trump please stand up? - POLITICO

  1. Too many scandals that she always seems to get away with, such as the suspected real estate scheme in Whitewater, the firing of White House travel staff employees to make room for jobs for her friends in Travelgate, and a little something called Filegate, in which it’s alleged she got her hands on and read top-secret FBI background checks for political gain.

TRUMP - Uhhhh… sigh no comment needed.

  1. Benghazi. Repeated requests for more security were ignored by her. We know the result. On September 11, 2012, Islamic radicals killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and others. How did it exactly happen? “What difference at this point does it make?” Hillary famously said.

TRUMP - Covid 19; warning ignored…we know the result; “What difference at this point does it make?”

  1. Chronic liar Hillary Clinton has a bit in common with Jersey’s own disgraced newsman Brian Williams. In 2008, she dramatically shared the frightening story of how she landed in Bosnia under heavy sniper fire. Only problem was it never happened. Here’s one from way back. As a young woman she worked on the Watergate case and it has been claimed by Jerry Zeifman, chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, that Clinton authored a fraudulent legal brief and swiped what were public documents in hopes of keeping Nixon from being impeached. Why on earth would she want that? So Ted Kennedy would have a shot at winning the presidency in 1976.

TRUMP - chronic liar; gas-lighting; doing “favours” for friends and family; fraudulent business dealings

  1. The ultimate Washington insider. As just mentioned, she was working inside the nation’s capital long before becoming First Lady. One of her first jobs after Yale was serving on the impeachment inquiry staff during the Watergate trial. How much more inside can you get than a woman who has been in the cesspool of Washington, D.C., her entire adult life?

TRUMP - the ultimate “Business Man”; keeps Wall Street happy; doesn’t pay his bills; looks out “for number one” (himself) AND has long list of failed businesses include Trump Airline, Trump Steaks, GoTrump.com, Trump Vodka, and Trump Mortgage just to name a few. Then there’s the most disgraceful of all: Trump University, a complete con - HIS tax deductions (hahaha) are not via charitable donations

  1. Embracing things Bernie Sanders stood for such as free college for all shows her opportunism and impracticality. And how is she going to pay for it? Have the rich pay their fair share, of course.

TRUMP - Oh yeah - the tax breaks to the rich are definitely going to have “the rich pay their fair share”; he’s gladly demonstrated that he has been paying his… (sarcasm for those who don’t get it). One “solution” to rising debt for students? Cap their ability to borrow. DO not “cap” tuition fees (otherwise how would have Trump University been able to charge $35,000 for a 3-5 day course and offer back an unaccredited degree?)

  1. She clings to universal healthcare. It’s something that has greatly hurt people, I know and I hold her personally responsible. (edited to add …the “I” is personal testimony of person “speaking” as to why Universal healthcare is “bad” - NOT mine, as I personally enjoy our Canadian Healthcare system)

TRUMP - In his 2000 book The America We Deserve, Mr. Trump stated his belief in shifting America to a single-payer healthcare system that would be funded through an increase in corporate taxes. More recently, in a July radio interview, he said he wants people to be taken care of regardless of socioeconomic status. “You can call it anything you want,” Mr. Trump said. Trump’s 2016 healthcare agenda centered around repealing the ACA, his second-term agenda doesn’t mention the law by name.

  1. Her stand on immigration and a pathway to citizenship doesn’t sit well. In her acceptance speech she spoke of an illegal population that was contributing to our economy. Paying sales tax is not the same as fully contributing as in paying income tax, something many millions of illegals have avoided. If there’s ever a truly fair pathway to citizenship it would have to include free labor that would serve the public and/or serving in the military.

TRUMP - maybe he has more in common with “illegals” than he’d like to admit.

  1. Just a general sense of misgiving about this person. A sense of not knowing who she really is after all these years in public life. She has always struck me as a phony. A climber. A political opportunist who felt somehow destined, preordained, entitled to an eventual presidency. I have no plans on helping hand it to her.

TRUMP - Just a general sense of misgiving about this person. A sense of not knowing who he really is after all these years in public life. He has always struck me as a phony. A climber. A business opportunist who felt somehow destined, preordained, entitled to the presidency.

My point? Is there any form of methodology to politics - or is it just left to “feelings”.

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As far as I can tell, Clinton isn’t running for office.

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Wait, what? How exactly is H. Clinton’s (or any other American’s) support for universal healthcare make them personally responsible for the injuries to people you know?

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Lol Nyar… these were claims by republicans against Hilary back in 2016.

They aren’t my claims.

Did you notice the correlation to their current president and how the claims are dismissed in his favor, although they were not dismissed in her’s?

That’s why I asked “is there a methodology to politics” or is is just “feelings” as it is with religious “choice” (raised as Democrat or Republican…)

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When you quote someone without attribution, you are transforming their claims into your claims.

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Noted. I thought the content of the post in full was self-explanatory.

However yes - the particular opinions were based on an “I” statement (that many trump supporters related too) I will edit and clarify that area.

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Perhaps,
I’ll re-word my question. Politics can get “heated” (very much like religion) and like religion, it effects our everyday life, via laws and regulations.

It appears that political parties and candidates are chosen without a method to remove bias… my above referal to 2016 is a small example of the dialogue replay that I have heard over and over again from both parties.

This happens worldwide. (Another example is the issue of whether Trump will step aside, as the same issue was raised with Obama and Bush…)

I’m just curious if there is a method, a simple one that could or has been developed OR one you particularly use (Cranks has previously shared his method in voting regardless of party politics and why).

Is there a way to cut through the noise?

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Here is a walk down my memory lane when it comes to US elections:

2000 Election (major party candidates: Bush Jr. and Gore). On the day of the election, in the office I kept hearing things like “I’m voting for Bush because Gore is going to take all my guns”, or “I voted for Gore because Bush will start World War 3”.

At the end of the day, once of my friends said they voted for Ralph Nader. Surprised (as this was the first person whom had said that), I turned and asked him why. His response blew my mind.

He said “I voted for Ralph Nader because his name rhymes with Darth Vader”. I opened my mouth to object, but before any words came out I realized: he was right, it does rhyme. And worse still: it was the only political statement I had heard all day that was true. Standing there dumbstruck with my mouth still open, I realized that my friend was the sane one, while the rest of us were insane.

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Yes… Gore (against, ugg ugg): Bush (for, ugg ugg)

Biden (against, ugg ugg); Trump (for, ugg ugg)

The ugg is suppose to mimic caveman (cartoon) style logic.

Currently, Biden’s camp 100 pages covering policy proposals - Trump’s camp, 6 pages…

Trump at least knows the average intelligence of his base.

It’s sad really. Discussion and facts on issues are cast aside in favor of innuendo, show-man ship, and lies. Hypocrisy is ripe (or just good old cognitive dissonance).

There are of course intelligent, reasonable Republicans as well as Democrats …and extreme ignorance on both ends.

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OF course. There are usually a few strategies kicking around and stated goals. However here, governing parties of all stripes tend to govern by crisis, making policy on the fly.

Having said that, politics as a profession works on one and only one guiding principle ; “The ends justify the means” . Much of life is thus when dealing with people who have any kind of personal power.

I don’t want my politicians to be affable and/or great orators. I want them to be competent and to do at least some of the things they promise to do. Could not care less if they are personally complete crunts. I have never voted for any politician because he seemed like a nice bloke,. nor against one because he seemed to be a crunt.

AS far as pandemics go, I expect my government to have detailed disaster plans in place to deal with such a crisis. There was none. That incompetence cost lives.

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All this thread did was dump me in Memory Lane just around the part in Hitchhikers’ Guide to the Galaxy where Ford Prefect says to Arthur Dent;

“On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur. “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going in for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in.”

And that didn’t pan out too well here on planet Earth did it? Because the wrong bloody lizard did get in.
…oh and further along the Lane I found this gem, "“Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

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MY favourite line comes from SlartiBartfast

As best as I can remember " Hurry or you’ll be late. As in the late Arthur Dent"

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Absolutely a
“Fucking A”!

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I Googled “fly on shit”, searched images, and yes, there is was, a fly on shit.

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Saw a great photo on a pack of sausages whilst in Dublin:

It featured a celebrity cook named Ainsely Hartriott . He was holding a fork, with a bit of food on it, close to his mouth…

8c26c7b372f18d936eb4776d4597afff--scotland-funny-ainsley-harriott :

Never is the Peter Principle as true as in politics. There is a saying in the Australian civil service; “All the REALLY big bits always float to the top.” (anon)

State headquarters was known as “The Sheltered workshop” and “Sleepy Hollow”

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Indeed.

Groucho Marx said something kind of similar; " I don’t want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member"

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I used to think that the practices in some stone age tribes was counter-productive, but on reflection, I wish some was practiced in this day.

There are powerful indications that in tribes that failed, the leader was held accountable, and was executed/sacrificed.

On an individual level, I am opposed to capitol punishment. But when you weight the factors, that one man, if unchecked, can be directly responsible for the death of tens of thousands of those he swore to protect. Rationally, one death versus 100,000 becomes something to ponder.

I am not advocating violence of any sort, but when a leader fails, the citizens should move quickly to remove that person from power and correct the mistakes.

The US Constitution and associated laws dictate that a leader can serve only four years before re-election. But in this fast-moving world, one can wreak tremendous damage within four years.

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