A Fine-Tuned Universe Video : Debunked

I present a breakdown of this video, from start to finish, giving the timestamps of where it is wrong, false, inaccurate or downright untruthful.

30 seconds.

Scientists have come to the shocking realization that each of these values has been dialled into an astonishingly precise value…

No. Scientists don’t use the word DIALLED because that is a loaded word, implying that someone adjusted the dial. Science is an agnostic discipline that says nothing about religious or theological matters. Professional scientists don’t do that.

1:55

A change in the cosmological constant by one part in ten to 120 would cause the universe to expand too fast or too slowly. In either case, again the universe would be life prohibiting.

2:05 to 2:20

The pie chart is wrong because the heading of the diagram is Matter and Energy. It does not show Dark Energy, which constitutes 69% of the total mass and energy of the universe. So, it is not an accurate representation of the energy in this universe. This is.

The Dark Universe

Did Doctor Craig leave out Dark Energy from his video because he knows that it fucks up his claim that the universe is finely-tuned for life? According to him, if the physical constants deviated by even the tiniest amount, no life would be possible in the universe.

But what’s this? Dark energy varies over time? How can that be if everything is finely tuned?

Universe’s expansion ‘is now slowing, not speeding up’ | The Royal Astronomical Society

2:30 to 3:00

The comments of three notable scientists are quote mined out of context. Doing this is also the logical fallacy of an Appeal to Authority.

Argument from authority - Wikipedia

Scientific knowledge is best established by evidence and experiment rather than argued through authority as authority has no place in science. Carl Sagan wrote of arguments from authority: “One of the great commandments of science is, ‘Mistrust arguments from authority.’ … Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.”

3:48 Chance

The Multiverse Generator cannot be detected, observed, measured, or proved.

This statement is both false and incorrect. Empirical science, which detects, observes and measures things, cannot be used to prove anything. Proofs only exist in mathematics and in logic.

Also, in 2014, scientists thought they had detected, observed and measured the Multiverse Generator. This generator is more properly known as the Inflaton field. This is the energy field that ‘inflated’ the universe according to the Inflation theorem. But, according to Inflation theorem, it isn’t just responsible for inflating only our universe. It will also have inflated trillions of other universes, creating a Multiverse.

True, none of these other separate universes will ever be directly observed. But if the signature of the Inflaton field is detected in OUR universe (as was thought in 2014) then the existence of these other universes would be difficult to deny. An Inflaton field here, in this universe, requires there to be an Inflaton field elsewhere, in other universes. You can’t have one without the other. Inflation here means inflation elsewhere, even if we can’t directly detect, measure or observe it.

Besides, science is full of examples of things that cannot be directly detected, but which are still considered to exist and to be real. Take the Higgs boson, discovered in 2012. Was it directly detected? No. Was it directly observed? No. Was it directly measured? No.

All that we know about that particle comes from its effect on other particles that we can detect, observe, and measure. All that we know about the Higgs boson comes to us by inference alone.

So, if the Inflaton field was detected then logic will oblige us to consider these other universes to be just as real as ours.

5:13

So, even if the Multiverse existed, which is a moot point, it wouldn’t do anything to explain the fine-tuning.

This is an out and out lie.

Yes, the Multiverse would explain all of the fine-tuning in our universe very well indeed. It would also do so NATURALLY, without the need to invoke a supernatural fine-tuner like God. It would be an entirely naturalistic, scientific explanation of fine-tuning.

The reason for this is when the Inflaton field inflates a new universe, the physical constants inside that universe are decidedly randomly, by pure and unguided chance. If a sufficient number of universes are inflated then it will inevitably result in a universe like ours. It’s like tossing a trillion coins into the air all at once. Do that often enough and eventually on one toss all the coins will land heads up. That’s just statistics.

5:30 to 5:59

A repeat of the logical fallacy of the Argument from Authority.

6:00 to 6:20

Here we see the great leap from science to religion.

But it’s a leap that does not work. Science proceeds by evidence and not by faith. Religion proceeds by faith and not by evidence. So, they are mutually incompatible. They are two utterly different systems of thought that cannot and do not work together. But there’s an even greater problem glossed over by this jump from science to scripture.

Science can say nothing about the identity of the fine-tuner. Nowhere in science and nowhere in the entire universe is there a single scrap of evidence that NAMES the fine-tuner of the universe. Any identification of who the fine-tuner is… is done, not through science, but through faith.

Which is why Muslims identify the fine-tuner as Allah. Why Jews identify him as Yahweh. Why Sikhs identify him as Waheguru. Why the Zoroastrians identify him as Ahura Mazda. And why Christians identify him as Jesus.

It’s a level playing field between all of these candidate creator Gods. Because there’s no scientific evidence specifically identifying who the creator and fine-tuner is, any one of these gods could be the culprit. And any follower of any of them can make an equally good claim that it was their god who did the fine-tuning.

But this nasty little problem goes unsaid and unmentioned. We jump right into scripture as if the Christian bible is the logical and necessary conclusion to the question, ‘Who is the fine-tuner?’

All in all this video is just a gallimaufry of lies, half-truths and disinformation, served up in the guise of a scientifically accurate exposition of the facts and of logic.

It isn’t. Don’t trust it and don’t believe it.

Thank you,

Walter.

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Why does it need to be debunked?

Why do you need your bank to give you a true report of what’s in your account?

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Well the fine tuning arguments typically involve the assumption that we are special. In the last 400 years of science, lots of people have made lots of versions of this assumption and it never leads to anything useful (and often times makes you look really foolish later). At this point in time it is an assumption that is often actively avoided; and why someone would want to debunk it.

Here you are… Dick.

Think about it.

It should be debunked because it seems to be a very, very common argument for Creationism . . . and this idea is used for justification in court cases to try and get prayer put back into public schools.

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I am surprised that the fine tuning argument is even popular because–when you actually consider the physical nature of the Universe vs. the hospitality of Earth–you can easily see that more than 99.999999% of the Universe would kill us almost instantly.

Even if technology allows us to–somehow–set up habitats in the vast gulfs between the stars and galaxies, the First Law of Thermodynamics show us that we still need to get energy from somewhere.

So how is the Universe fine-tuned for life?

It is popular because humans are notoriously bad at thinking about probabilities; allowing people to believe whatever conclusion they want.

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It’s popular Kevin because it appeals on an emotional level to people who are afraid to consider the possibility that they are quite alone in a cold, hostile and indifferent universe.

Being afraid, they desperately cling to something - anything that will give them what they want. What could be better than to be told that the entire universe was created just with you in mind and specifically for your benefit?

Btw, you are exactly right.
Almost everything out there, just beyond a few miles of atmosphere, is lethal to us. So, what the people spinning the Fine Tuned argument mean and what it’s followers mean is that ONLY the Earth is finely tuned for our survival.

But they overlook (i.e., ignore) a basic principle of science, physics and cosmology.

In our telescopic investigations of the universe we’ve worked on the assumption that whatever applies down here on Earth - the chemistry of life, matter and energy, the way gravity works, etc. - also applies in exactly the same way EVERYWHERE in the universe. And thus far we’ve found no exceptions or violations to that principle. None at all. Nada. Zip.

Nowhere have we seen anything different out there from what’s found down here. Which, when you think about it, has a surprising implication. One that the Christian apologists never mention, never agree with and which they strenuously deny.

Yes, most of the universe is extremely hostile to life. But if because the same physical principles of geology, chemistry and physics apply everywhere and not just on Earth, then, just as our planet is a life-friendly haven, so there must be other such life-friendly havens, elsewhere in the universe.

Simple logic.

But deadly poison to Christians, who want to believe themselves and only themselves as the ONLY result of fine tuning in the entire cosmos. Sorry, but if you invoke an argument that applies to the entire universe, then you have to apply it to the entire universe. Not to just one planet.

Thank you,

Walter.

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Sorry Kevin,

I realise that I haven’t actually answered your question, ‘How is the universe fine-tuned for life?’

If you watch the video the narrator makes the claim that life requires a very, very, very specific set of conditions to exist. These conditions are governed by what are called the physical constants of nature.

Physical constant - Wikipedia

The Fine-Tuned universe argument asserts that the arrangement of these physical constants is so special that it couldn’t have happened naturally, but must have been caused by god - supernaturally.

But there are misunderstandings, falsehoods and half truths in the video. As I pointed out in my opening post.

Does that clarify things?

Walter.

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I agree.

The people who did the video should become familiar with the weak and strong versions of the anthropic principle . . . which may have been mentioned in the video, but I probably missed it if it was.

I also think apologists are comforted by the feeling that there is someone in charge, running everything. They don’t much care how good that someone is at running things, just that there is someone. The idea that there isn’t anyone ultimately in charge is terrifying to them because it means THEY have to handle things.

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Ah, but my dear Kevin…

…this video wasn’t meant to cover all the bases. It’s a sales pitch made by people who already knew the answer by faith and not by evidence. Any evidence mentioned in it is only there because they judge it will serve their purpose. Likewise, any evidence that isn’t didn’t make the cut because it interferes with the mission of the video.

Which is to get people into the kingdom of god, by fair means or by foul. What does it matter if we don’t mention this or downplay that if in the end their souls are saved? Here the end justifies the means, even if it makes liars of the very people who claim to love the truth.

:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Walter.

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Agree, Mark.

I’d go a little further than that and add this comment.

They also don’t much care how morally good that someone is, either.

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I am convinced that they would rather have a theocracy that works against their own best interests, than a democracy that leans in their favor. The latter is just too indetermined for their tastes.

And if you dig all the way down to the bottom of “indetermined for their tastes” it’s really “not white/cishet/patriarchal enough”.