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Oh,I was but NEVER in front of others, except that once----

When I had been married only a few months,we went to visit friends.

Out came the home made mead. Cranky apparently slid off the couch, onto the floor where he began to snore.------ Herself drove us home,saying nothing.

My wife was five feet and half an inch tall. Next morning as I was hung over, she let me have it.

(screaming mode) " I AM NOT YOUR FUCKING CHAFFEUR!!! IN FUTURE, YOU WILL LEAVE AS YOU ARRIVED.!!! IF YOU DO NOT,I WILL FUCKING WELL LEAVE YOU THERE!!!"

My wife usually looked as if butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth.(or anywhere else) But upset her, and she was a fucking tartar.

Perhaps another time I’ll tell you of the occasion a male work colleague patted her on the bum at the public contact counter. I worked in a different office. A bloke I knew there phoned me and told me about it, in awe.

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I have tried almost all the recreational ones, but eventually after many years gave them all up, but the very hardest and last I gave up was nicotine which I am certain did more damage that all the others put together.

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I like a drink, always have, I don’t see that changing now, and as Churchill once said “I have had far more from drinking, than drinking has had from me.”

Worked in Holland for a year about 16 years ago, a group of us were over there as self employed contractors. Tried ecstasy, loved it…and everything and everyone while I was under its influence as well. As with all drugs there is a price, apart from looking like a twat at the time, you experience depression the following day, not as sudden or massive as the 3 to 4 hours of euphoria I’d experienced the day before, but something to be mindful of.

Cocaine was easier in my experience, as you could decide how much of a high you wanted, but if you can imagine a dozen or so male contractors in their 20’s and thirty’s drinking heavily after long hours in work, you can pretty much guess how much self control we exhibited. Again the euphoric high was followed by a longer but less drastic low, and again this was something else to be wary of.

I looked at it then much as I do now as something to be careful with, enjoy it a little then let alone. Though in the 16 years since I think I’ve tried it twice, and not for many years, ecstasy not at all since coming home.

I think a lot of ignorant nonsense is spoken about recreational drugs, and the hyperbole attached by people who have no idea what they’re talking about doesn’t help. It’s a shame we seem unable as societies to have a frank and honest discussion about drug use. IMHO and certainly where I live, prescription drug abuse is at least as big a problem as recreational drug use.

The war on drugs is asinine, and has simply created a massive surge in organised crime globally, just as prohibition did. It seems governments are slow to learn this lesson. I don’t know why. Given the past 18 months has been the hardest most stressful of my life, I take it as a good sign of not touched anything but alcohol, and prescription pain killers, both of which I’ve cut back massively. I was prescribed antidepressants twice after my wife left, but both times just stopped taking them after a couple of weeks. Mainly as I wanted to know if it was me coping or the drugs carrying me, as I don’t want to ever be reliant on any substance if I can help it, even during this difficult time.

I also try not to judge, but we can usually see when someone’s substance use is drastically impacting their quality of life.

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@Sheldon:
You hit the two main reasons I don’t drink or use drugs. 1. Acting like a fucking twat. 2. Not being able to function the next day. BINGO! Even if I did enjoy the high, like with mushrooms, they are not worth doing with any kind of consistency. It’s exactly like when the aliens come down and kidnap me and take my body apart. The next day, after they put me back together, everything just feels about half an inch off to the left.

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Sounds like a terrible experience Cog. The aliens fed me iced vovos and unsweetened earl grey tea and made me fill out questionaires before dropping me off home in time to watch Seinfeld. Nice, if strange looking, blokes.

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Booze does that, big time.

Because it offers a perception to the public that the politician(s) are doing a good job. But it has created an entire huge industry within the law enforcement community.

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Indeed, and an illegal one outside of it of course.

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POOR RATTY? You need to learn how to ask a question.

“Who” presumes the answer. “Who is doing the talking.” Makes an assumption that there is a “who.” I already told you that there is no “who.”

To what “mechanism” are you referring? I’ve no idea what you are talking about. Are you referring to the function of the brain perhaps?

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@Cognostic

I think Nyarlathotep has given ratspit an unpaid sabbatical from here.

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Living in Colorado I have had easy access to weed for so long I forget that it can do that to people.

I have never hallucinated on weed, and weed these days is 10x more potent then the stuff smoked back in 1978. I am almost a little jealous of people that get such strong reactions. When I first tried weed it just made me find absolutely everything hilarious and I would laugh uncontrollably, tears streaming down my face, about to ready to pass out from lack of oxygen kind of laughing.

I do have a family member that is highly allergic to thc/marijuana, even just the tiniest amounts can send her to the hospital.

I take zero prescribed medications. Have pretty much my whole life, I guess I am lucky in that way. I drink so little alcohol these days that just one strong drink can make me appear and act drunk for at least an hour. I have taken psychotropic drugs too, never hallucinated, even near max effective (and also safe) doses.

My highly analytical, reasoning and logic approach to life holds even when on psychotropic drugs, my brain can still distinguish between real and not quite easily.

I always guessed that highly religious and/or spiritual people would have a rougher go of distinguishing what is real or not, especially when affected by mind/reality altering psychotropic drugs.

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This is why I like Marijuana over all other drugs, no hangover, no lingering depression, just helps with aches and pains and sleep and when I need it, relaxing.

I can only speak to the US “war on drugs” but asinine is too nice of a description for it. I would describe it as an unmitigated disaster, and the war was done for all the wrong reasons.

I could easily go on a long rant here, but in the interest of brevity I will stick to a few major points:

  1. Any first year economic student (SHOULD) know that in any trade of goods, especially a black market, unregulated market, that involves highly inelastic good (of which addictive drugs are one of the most extreme examples of!) going after the supply, (the drug war) will always be almost completely ineffective. You go after the demand, (the buyers) not the supply (the drug cartels.)

  2. Which drugs are legal or not is not controlled only by relative harm/need, but instead heavily influenced by other motivations such as: racial injustices, (means of control on minorities) and of course, as always, money. Almost every single illegal drug you can think of, there is a legal “prescribed” version of that drug that you can get from your doctor. Yes they are safer delivered that way, but the injustice that a person with the means can get safer and better version of the same drug that other people are sitting in jail for using the “street” version of that drug.

Look up the history of both marijuana and “crack” cocaine history of criminal “justice” for the USA.

The overwhelming conclusion I got was: weed was made illegal to control the hispanic population, and crack cocaine made illegal, (but in no way commensurate to the more expensive pure white powder cocaine,) as it was the recreational drug of choice for African Americans.

Even in Colorado to this day, arrest records related to the now mostly legal THC, still highly disproportionately happens to minority groups.

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Yes air exists, but you can not see it. Many other gasses exist too, a lot can not be breathed. But there’s solid proof that the oxygen we breath exists. If it doesn’t have some sort of solid evidence like air then it doesn’t probably exist.

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Yeah.

Like “the war on terror” the war on drugs" is a meaningless sound bite. Each gives the impression something is actually being done.

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So I would just say YEP! to the war on drugs and the bullshit war on terror but YEP! is only 3 characters long and that silly little mark at the end only makes it four so I have to check both your hearts and then write out this long explanation just to indicate “AGREE!”

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Hahahahaha :monkey_face:

The idea of “war” brings conflict and opposing sides. A battle. Absolutely a wonderful way to approach any societal issue. Us vs “them”

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Yeah, it’s one of my pet hates.

One I hate far more is the utterly disingenuous use of the term ‘team’ in organisations,which tend to be hierarchies.

My government department had the nasty habit of implementing failed/redundant US management models. The worst happened a couple of years before I retired “Self managed teams”. Complete horseshit of course. The goal and result was to remove an entire management tier, the ‘section manager’. Bottom line; a lot more work, no more money.

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He can stick a finger in a light bulb socket to put it to the test.

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Yep as it will give a shock.

I love how the only argument for a god is, you can not see him so he must be real? You can not see the electric of a light socket, but it is real. God can not be proved nor disproved, but there’s so far little to no evidence for a god.

Air can not be seen but can be proved. :wink:

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Still didn’t pick up on the “proved” thing huh?

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@anon14261619

I don’t know the name of this fallacy, but the proposition that something invisible and a god are similar is a fail because that is the sole property they have in common. Whatever is invisible (air, electricity, virus, cosmic rays, etc) have properties and have an effect on the real world. A god does not.

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