That’s exactly what I thought. He needs to go educate himself more before it is worth discussing again.
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Welcome to AR
As you become more familiar with the forum and its members, you may find there is no need to be quite so reticent. 
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I’ve been a member for a long time, so fear not, I know my way around and I know the vast majority of the members on here…however, I have been a way for a short while since my father untimely passing.
As to how readily I express myself and my personal thoughts, well that’s the way I articulate myself in regards to theism.
That is the exact level of respect that it deserves.
Any belief structure that causes the level of damage that religion has, deserves all the ridicule it gets and by George have i resolved myself to do as such!
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Oh, sorry for you loss,a hard time. Lost my mother last year.
My post was an example of what passes for my wit. Apologies for any confusion. 
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You have completely missed the obvious . Only consciousness is capable of declaring that no consciousness is needed for observation , see any problems with that ? A photographic plate didn’t conjure itself into existence , it didn’t analyze whatever measurements were recorded and it didn’t declare that no conscious agency was needed to read what was on the photographic plate. Consciousness is the only carrier of reality that we can know for sure . It is simply the only undeniable empirical fact of existence .
If you can prove that the physical world exists independent of our observing it then please post the proof .
As for your street directory analogy , when you try to illustrate a point about organic processes then use design as the kill shot , well , you completely missed the target .
Damn, That is a tough one Randomhero. The loss of a loved one is always a major negative trauma. I wish to extend my very sincere condolences.
I missed you, and especially the “bollocks”
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Welcome back again Random!
Of course its utter bollocks… 
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So… without consciousness reality would not exist? I don’t think so. 279 -million possible humans who never gained consciousness, were in the same ejaculate you managed to work yourself out of. The world was not affected at all by their lack of consciousness.
Please excuse me if I’m confused. Isn’t that called solipsism?
My fault entirely. I often become confused trying to hammer Pig’s post’s into something resembling rational discourse. I guess he’s just too deep for me. 
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I promised myself I wouldnt do this but…
Ok lets cut to the chase. You think reality can only exist by observation and that the Universe is constantly under observation by some disembodied consciousness you consider to be your eternal god. That would be how you would explain how the Universe got started without humankind to witness it, with the big bang, evolving into the cosmic soup and to the almost astounding rise of sentinent homo sapien sapiens who then joined in the experience of observation along with your mythical god.
And as I understand it, you also think that if all humankind were extinguished tomorrow, we would all still be conscious of and observing a reality of some sort until such time as your god had finished passing judgment, punishment and rewards eternal upon us all. Some theist apocalypse literature I’ve read suggests the universe will continue under new management but I have no idea what you subscribe to.
But as you brought yourself to an atheist forum you surely cannot be surprised or insulted that I think your assumptions about reality are bewilderingly fantastic and wrong. If I am correct about the nature of the claims above I invite you to post up any proofs you have to support them.
Conscious observation of the universe is not required for the universe to be real. Our shared perception of the universe is the map not the territory. Burn the map, the territory continues to exist.
If C19 were to wipe out all humankind tomorrow, then all human awareness, consciousness, imagination, intelligence, knowledge, and even faiths and beliefs of higher beings and gods, would vanish. The galaxies would continue to drift apart, suns generate light, planets endlessly orbit, asteroids strike, shadows and light rise and fall, winds blow, chemicals on plates react, quantum wave functions collapse and all without an observer.
My perception of reality maintains there are no souls and no afterlife, the earth and the universe will abide long after we pass.
And I understand your complete unwillingness to accept my view, but that is for you to deal with.
I don’t pretend to think I might be able to shift your perceptions and if they give you comfort I can see no reason why I would want to. But when you misrepresent and twist claims and explanations that I know to be utterly false or at the very least poorly expressed, I will always feel motivated to say so.
To paraphrase what I have already said, the presuppostionalism of theists fatally negates their ability to seek truth or to follow the data to where it objectively leads. William Lane Craig himself has made this very confession.
I think, maybe for the moment hopefully, you are beyond reason and I have other things I can better use my time attending to. Have a good life Pig, and if I am wrong, enjoy that afterlife. And keep that suggestion of miracle working in mind.
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solipsism - "The self is the only thing that can truly be known to exist.
Not sure if he is equating “consciousness” with the self or not. I am sure that reality will exist for you whether I am conscious or not. I can’t see how consciousness would have a direct affect on the existence of reality. Does reality really care if there is no one there to observe it? The earth and the universe existed for billions of years before anything was capable of observing anything with “consciousness.”
Just more inane assertions by the trolling flying swine.
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Yes, off the top of my headl:
- It’s another of your bare unevidenced claims.
- You are again trying to imply an assertion from ignorance, which is as we know irrational.
So what? Another facile analogy that amounts to naught but coloured bubbles. I see no deity, I see no evidence for any deity, I see no rational argument for any deity, I see endless irrational assertions from a theist.
Wrong again, unless you meant are currently aware of, in which case this another example of your woeful command of language and your strident hubris causing you to make assertions you can’t evidence.
Hahahahahaha, what truly asinine comment.
Are you claiming it stops existing when we stop observing it? Another truly asinine piece of fantasy, you’re also trying to reverse the burden of proof with an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy again.
What objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity exists? What objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything supernatural exists? What objective evidence can you demonstrate that anything in nature is designed?
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So has @TheFlyingPig demonstrated any of this “evidence” he keeps claiming is ubiquitous in the natural world?
Or is this another case of all the atheists inexplicably missing it again?
Thank you very much David, I really appreciate that.
I struggled quite a bit with depression after and took some time away to find myself again
Back and ready to go, ‘bollocks’ button is waiting to go…
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I am an avid sim racer. The platform I use (iRacing) tracks my statistics. On average, I raced 120 (plus or minus 20) races a year. Since my mother passed away, I lost my drive, and this year I have raced 7 races.
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My sincerest condolences, my dad passed 9 years ago. I’ll always miss him, and it was very hard for a while afterward. I try to remember he had a good life, and tried to enjoy every moment.
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Likewise Random, I am sorry to hear about your dad. Regardless of the relationship, losing a parent at any age hurts.
Flying pig is still hanging around… Damn, I have been smelling bacon frying for a week now. You would think he would take his fried butt home and sit on some ice for a while.
There’s not enough aloe vera in the world for the number of times his bullshit has been burned.
Sorry to hear that… I lost my dad nearly 20 years ago. I now try to enjoy being with the people around me now while I can.
If you die young it sucks because you die young. If you die old it sucks because you have to watch everybody else die.
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