Psssst… Yo, Cog. I think you meant to say, “If Evolution were proved to be wrong…” Might want to correct that. You are either typing faster than you are thinking, or thinking faster than you are typing.
Edit to add: Hey, Clare, aside from the one all-thumbs typo he made, pay attention to what Cog just said. Basically, it is what I was trying to say. He just made it a bit more clear.
“If atheism were proved to be 100% wrong, it would not move us one step closer to the probability of a god existing.”
Ok, you win. You are the smartest atheist in the world.
The whole point of this thread was to talk about why believers think that atheists are arrogant. I think I get it now. Thanks!
Oh-dear-lord! Don’t tell Cog that! Geeeez! 
He’s already bad enough as it is. You may just be passing through, but WE have to live with him, ya know? Besides, he screwed up what he meant to say. Instead of saying, “If atheism was proved to be 100% wrong…”, that should have been, “If EVOLUTION was proved to be 100% wrong…” And you want to call HIM the smartest atheist on the planet? Trust me, everybody would understand if you recant that remark.
Well, OF COURSE atheists are arrogant in the eyes of Christians (and most other monotheistic religions). After all, atheists defy their god of choice. Only an arrogant FOOL would dare stand against their all-powerful god. How DARE those godless heathens believe they can be good and moral people without their god telling them what to do. The AUDACITY of those evil Satanic bastards!
Here’s the hilarious irony I most often see, though. The same people who rely on their all-powerful/all-knowing god to help keep them on the “path of moral superiority” are actually AFRAID OF atheists in most cases. Apparently, their all-powerful god is not able to fully protect them from the overwhelming evil we atheists exude. 
OOPS! Yes, I meant evolution. I will make the edit. Yea, I’m at work. Just relaxing a bit between classes and playing on the liptap.
I think that in this context it is important to also emphasize that this is also about hegemony, and getting to control your out-group. Within the in-group of, say, the followers of Kvitekrist, they feel a strong urge to impose their superstition on the out-group. Thus, when members of the out-group claim that they are in fact good and moral people, the superstitionists do not effectively control their thoughts and behaviour. And they cannot tolerate this. With expansionistic religious beliefs like christianity and islam comes the demand to control not only the behaviour but also the thoughts of other people. Therefore, they have to attack in order to impose their views on others. Historically, this has been done with the use of threats, extortion, force, and liberal use of weapons of war.
Saaaay whaaaaaat???.. 
Christians?.. Using FORCE?.. To make other people believe in their god?.. No waaaaaaay… 
You’re just making this shit up, aren’t you?
No shit, no makeup. And 20 characters.
I thinkni5 is extremely arrogant of them to assume they know something about a ghost that i don’t.
They assume they will get eternity as a reward for worshipping a ghost but simultaneously issue me with threats if eternal fire for my non beliefs. How arrogant is that?
“Why Theists Think We Are Arrogant”
My developed response to this is the classic “WHO CARES?”
Actually, you’ll find a significant proportion of our critique of mythology fanboyism, consists of pointing out the absurdities and iniquities contained in the requisite mythologies, and we don’t need science for a good many of these. I’ll provide you with an apposite example from the Old Testament. Namely, that right after the part thereof, where the purported “Ten Commandments” are presented, the authors of this mythology devote, without irony or self-awareness, over 200 pages of this anthology to gleeful depictions of genocidal Lebensraum wars. The authors assert that these brutal, genocidal Lebensraum wars were either directly ordered to be launched by their imaginary cartoon magic man (the same cartoon magic man they earlier asserted included “thou shalt not kill” in the “Ten Commandments”), or were given silent assent by the same entity.
I don’t need to resort to science to recognise that this is massively self-contradictory. Likewise, if I concentrate for a moment upon one of those genocidal Lebensraum wars, covered in Numbers 31:18, this is asserted to have been followed by the kidnapping of underage girls as sex slaves, after the unfortunate girls were forced to watch their parents being butchered in this particular exercise in Bronze Age ethnic cleansing. I don’t need to resort to science to deduce that this episode, if it actually occurred, constituted an ethical abomination on an obscene scale.
So it looks as if your pretence at knowing what we think and propose better than we do ourselves, crashes and burns on take-off.
Ahem, I’ll point you at this article in the peer reviewed scientific journal Nature, which demonstrates that scientists are dispensing with cartoon magic men from pre-scientific mythologies in record numbers. There may be a few outliers that still think a magic man exists, but they’re dwindling in percentage terms with each passing year.
Wrong on numerous levels.
First of all, evolution is an observed fact. It has been observed taking place in hundreds, if not thousands, of lineages of living organisms, and I have in my collection numerous peer reviewed scientific papers documenting apposite instances thereof, including speciation events (indeed, some of those speciation events have now been replicated in the laboratory). Furthermore, evolution is accompanied by a scientific theory enjoying massive evidential support from real world observational data, the postulates thereof having been directly tested experimentally and verified as being in accord with observational data. Evolution isn’t a “claim”, it’s an observed fact accompanied by possibly the best supported scientific theory in existence, and possibly one of the most spectacular products of scientific inquiry.
The only reason that we, as atheists, devote time to this matter, is because mythology fanboys summarily dismiss the requisite science, on the fatuous basis of thinking that the unsupported assertions of their favourite mythologies count for more than hard scientific evidence. The REAL claim here comes from mythology fanboys, who routinely assert, among other lies on the subject, that evolution is a product of “atheism” (it isn’t, it’s a product of science), and that the only reason we accept the findings of evolutionary biology, is because we purportedly want to “sin”. This latter assertion is bullshit on two levels - first, we accept the findings of evolutionary biology because they are scientifically rigorous and robust, with supertanker loads of evidence backing the requisite postulates, and second, because “sin” is a farcical imaginary offence against an imaginary cartoon magic man, erected as a tool of political control.
As for germ theory, again, this is a product of science, and frankly, I’m unaware of apologetic attempts to link this to “atheism” even by the extreme wingnuts among the mythology fanboys. Though who knows what weirdness I’ll uncover (doubtless to my regret) if I turn over the requisite stones to see what’s lurking beneath them. I’ve seen enough moon pie fantasising on the part of mythology fanboys to be aware that anything is possible with these people, but thus far, this is one piece of lunacy I’ve yet to encounter.
As for debunking superstitious claims, the whole of reality does this.
Here’s a tip for you … try applying diligence and rigour to your output, unless you want to endure much embarrassment here.
I have a new love.
Your beautifully written post, exceptional command of the English language, it’s grammar and nuances of prose, are most welcome and a joy to read. In this day and age the increasingly horrid tendency to communicate via acronyms and abbreviations, most of which need specific dictionaries to decipher, decode and then defined, leaves me with a very sour taste and makes me weep for the future historians who will surely name our current era as that time when humanity gained a powerful leap of communicative ability, but lost the art and craft of intellectually gratifying writing.
Thank you for giving me hope that this art will not be completely forgotten and also, for not treating your reader as if they have the comprehensive level of a first grade elementary student.
Sorry, got confused and this should go somewhere else.
Science has nothing to do with Atheism. You would be wrong again. Atheism is a response to a single claim made by theists, “God Exists.” NOTHING ELSE. Anything and everything else that an atheist believes is NOT a part of ATHEISM.
Atheism is a position on a single claim, GOD EXISTS. The atheist response to this claim is “I DON’T BELIEVE YOU. CAN YOU DEMONSTRATE YOUR CLAIM?” Whether atheists believe in science or not is completely irrelevant.
EVOLUTION is not a claim made by atheists. Evolution is the best scientific explanation we have for the diversity of species on this planet. It is backed by facts and evidence and as such, it is far superior to the assertion, “God done it.” Atheists do not believe in God or gods. You have yet to provide us with reasonable, factual, evidence. You only saddle us with evolution because evolution does not require a god. YET! It is accepted by the majority of religions as “Evolution is just the way God did it.” Evolution has nothing to do with atheism. If Evolution were 100% wrong, it would not advance your claim that a god exists a single inch. You made the claim, God exists and now you must demonstrate that claim. NOT debunk Evolution. What evidence do you have for a God?
Addiction has nothing to do with Atheism. Demonstrate your god exists.
Then we are done. You have no good evidence for your God. I have no good reason to believe in your god. We are pretty much done here. You can believe any inane claim you like. Have fun being stupid. (STUPID: having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.) You have clearly demonstrated this in your post.
And some of us simply have better standards than others. 1. The consensus once believed the earth was flat, that disease was caused by demons, that human sacrifices could make crops grow or bring rain. The consensus is BULLSHIT as well as a well known fallacy called Argumentum Ad Populum.
*Somehow I lost the post I was responding too. I don’t have time to look for it. Hopefully I have said enough… *
Evolution is not a claim. There’s strong empirical and physical evidence of it. We have bones of other human species such as Austalopithecus, Homo Erectus, the Neanderthals, and we ourselves Homo Sapiens. Those bones were carbon dated and totally debunk that “god” created Homo Sapiens from the Earth. All of it is evidence of Natural Selection. Which is also evident in animals that evolved from other extinct species that left behind remains. It’s evident in virology. A virus mutates into multiple variations. That’s evidence of evolution. Maybe you should study Biology and Anthropology. Educate yourself a little instead of ruling it out the way you did and dismissing the empirical evidence because you don’t understand it or you prefer listening to the easy and wrong answers that the Bible gives.
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Careful… my right eye is twitching… I might just ask you to prove your assertion that the Bible gives wrong answers. Wrong? How would you demonstrate that? Unevidenced does not make it ‘wrong.’ Certainly makes it not worth believing until we have evidence.
Wrong? Okay. Well, society in some free countries views slavery as wrong. Women being lesser than men is wrong. Killing homosexuals is wrong. Killing people of different religions is wrong. Killing Atheists is wrong.
I find it highly unlikely that a deity made us out of dirt since Adam and Eve were automatically assumed to be Homo Sapiens.
And on that we are in perfect agreement. The slick apologist will always use any opportunity they find to shift the burden of proof and ask you to begin proving things that you do not have to prove. Most of the God claims are unfalsifiable. It’s just something to watch for.
I have evidence that slavery is wrong, it actually harms people, I have evidence that thinking of women as less than men is harmful. We lose a valuable resource. I think I can prove killing homosexuals is wrong with facts and evidence. Killing atheists on the other hand… well… that’s a tough one. I can think of a lot of atheists we should kill. Yea, it may be wrong but it would feel so good. LOL,
Indeed, we have a wealth of palaeontological evidence pointing to humans having arisen from prior lineages of hominid apes (of which, courtesy of said ancestry, we are one also).
But there’s also the data from molecular phylogeny. Such as the data regarding the chromosome 2 fusion (double centromere sequences and internal telomere sequences), and the numerous shared endogenous retroviral sequences (ERVs) that make NO sense whatsoever from the standpoint of creationist assertions, but are eminently sensible (and indeed, a natural corollary) from the standpoint of shared ancestry.
ERVs are basically the killer data destroying creationist assertions about human ancestry.