@Sheldon > What a truly asinine statement. The very act of owning another human being negates any possibility of dignity, and Exodus 21 claims it is ok to beat them, even to death, as they long as they last more than 48 hours after the beating, that doesn’t sound like it affords much dignity to me, and I am not an omniscient and omnipotent diety with limitless choice, who could have explicitly and emphatically denounced slavery as egregiously immoral.
maybe that is why… because your intelligence is so limited you are not able to see the problems that could potentially rise with slaves who do not have the threat of a death beating over them.
Maybe i should preface that with you are in no position to speak downward about slavery as your whole life from the foundations of the nation you live in, down to your current use of technology, and even the produce you eat are all produced by modern day slaves. And because we will not acknowledge them as slaves in this modern day they live and work without restrictions/rules concerning their treatment. At least with God there is no lying to one’s self about the practice of slavery.
So we are clear modern life, your life is not possible without modern day slavery, and because you pretend there are no slaves making your life possible… they can be treated far worse than what God allowed the hebrews in the OT to treat their slaves.
Are you claiming there is any context when buying and owning slaves is moral, or owning their children as slaves, let alone beating them, even to death? That’s obscene.
without the modern day slave trade billions would die. as there is no government assisted living in the third world countries these slaves live and work.
What has that to do with the revolting actions the bible claims a deity advocates and encourages and even indulges? No one is claiming evolved apes are perfectly merciful are they, unlike religions claims for the biblical deity, which simply aren’t supported by many of the narratives in the bible, and Exodus 21 is an obvious example. for those who can self examine and seek to improve my statement bring attention to the forward/progressive laws that pushed society as a whole into a time where slaves received rights and protection under the law of God, and how much better God’s law paved the way for a civil society, rather than remain in your planet of evolved apes.
Tell that to the prisoners taken in ethnic cleansing wars that the bible claims a deity encouraged, and the sex trafficking of female prisoners.
again you show a very limited ability to work outside of your current life philosophy. There were no rule no laws concerning any of this. so your charges your indignation mean nothing. not in this time. why? because without stuff like this the human race is said not to survive. we were too tribal too xenophobic and without the bio diversity that came in warrior conquest we would have died out as inbred monkey/apes along time ago.
No, as it is an irrelevant red herring, as no one is claiming their ancestors were omniscient and omnipotent deities with limitless mercy. Do you really not see the comparison is nonsensical?
actually it is very relevant as it is an apples to apples comparison. otherwise how stupid are we to judge a modern society again one out of the bronze age? do you really need your ego stroke so thoroughly that your only way of feeling superior is to compare yourself to a tribe of people who wandered the deserts? Meaning if you want to truly have an apples to apples comparison of which people were progressive forward thinkers in their time who had laws thousands of years more advanced of everyone else (including your cave dwelling ancestors) then that is what needs to be judged and compared, or rather how modern jews treat slavery. only an intellectually dishonest person would look at the rules given to a bronze age people and play pretend they have any relevance now.
Oh please, I’d love you to try and pretend you can evidence that ludicrous claim. While I finish laughing can you tell me why you think rape is wrong, beyond blindly obeying divine diktat?
That’s not so difficult. the greeks romans babylonians egyptians all partook in the right of ‘taking the spoils of war.’ the taking women/young girls was a very common reason for war especially after a blight or drought and births rates were down.
Not to mention in that time women were property of the father or husband. a woman could not say no to her owner. and if she were violated by someone else the father/husband need only be compensated. Inorder for rape to be a law. the victim must be first considered a person.
at that time like it or not (this has more to do with your planet of evolved apes than God) women were not considered to be on par with men. again not a god thing but a your grand pop thing.
God through the jews made the first movements towards women getting rights.
And this justifies the barbaric and sadistic actions of the biblical deity how exactly? A deity that according to the bible feels it is ok to torture a new-born baby to death over 7 days, just because it was conceived in an adulterous relationship. again book chapter and verse please.
Noah’s flood, I asked for BCV for a reason… You have build a strawman here in place of the story of noah as it is written. because the bible doesn’t say children were swamped by the flood. it say the exceeding wicked men and all other living things. As man was not the only target of the flood. remember the bible records these ‘demi gods’ who man worshiped and child sacrifice being apart of said worship even after the flood to the idols of these ‘gods.’ There was an evil on this earth that has never been before or since in that generation. consuming children would be a valid reason for a flood in my opinion.
[quote]King David’s baby being tortured to death by god, [/quote] again bcv… sounds like another straw man…
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god explicitly giving his self proclaimed chosen people the right to sex traffic female prisoners if they were virgins, and slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery slavery…to name a few off the top of my head.[/quote] which again was the standard operating procedure for the planet of the evolved apes, everywhere but here where god did not make this a rule but a one time event. for the very reason of staving off extinction of a whole tribe of people.
Why would you say that, that same deity encourages its adherents to rape prisoners of ethnic cleansing? It seems ok with rape when it suits. what a world you must live in with the constant use of
evidence of what?