Why are women drawn to Christianity?

Ughhhhhh They’re still around. At least I understand better how woman get sucked into MLMs.

The chart that said Jehovah Witnesses are 65% women surprised me. It was the highest percentage of women to men on the survey. Does that sound right to you? I also thought the Mormons would have had a higher percentage of women. It was 54% women to 46% men. I was under the impression that polygamy in the early Mormon church had a lot to do with there being many more women converts. I could have that wrong, the leaders might just have been horny bastards :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: .

My mother sold Avon for about 20 years. I received AVON after shave for Xmas for years, plus soap on a rope. :unamused:

My ex wife was obsessive about Tupperware, spending a lot of money. Put it this way; she spent so much was given a very nice , free picnic hamper. We we also ended up with a large Tupperware cupboard and 24 Tupperware spice containers. (Plastic spice containers? Yeah, my ex could be quite strange).

Over the years I’ve had several friends become involved with Amway. I always bought something, yet none ever came more than once. Of course Amway is a pyramid scheme, no matter what they claim to the contrary.

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Considering polygamy is still a thing with some Mormons it surprises me too.

Joseph Smith was a disgusting human being. Not only was he a convicted criminal, he conned people into believing his nonsense.*** He also liked young girls. At least two of his wives were only 14, two more 16. Even the official LDS list shows an age difference of 15 years was not uncommon for him. (he was 38 when he died)
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***I’ve had a couple of attempts at reading the Book of Mormon. It’s not only full of the most risible drivel, it’s also badly written. The style is kind a of faux King James bible… Pretty much what one might expect from a man of his age and back ground at the time. Eg he would probably have been very familiar with the bible, perhaps even having memorised long tracts. He had little formal education. His mother taught him to read and to do sums.

It never ceases to amaze me what low standards religious people have for their leaders. I guess it’s not so surprising when you see what low standards they have for a god.
I wish I’d had a chance to see the play The Book of Mormon. From some bits on YouTube it looks hysterical. I can only hope it gets made into a movie :slight_smile:

I’ve come across this a lot. Especially on dating platforms. It’s hard finding a girlfriend who has atheistic beliefs. A lot of them are like “you gotta go to church with me!!!” and I’m like “noooo, fuck that”

Well, @MrDawn the days almost over and the predicted rapture hasn’t happened yet. I’d think that the rapture would increase your odds of finding an atheist to date :slight_smile: . I am sorry to hear of your struggle to find a partner. Don’t give up.

Hi! My mom has gone ultra religious since her last recent birthday and she’s not even a christian.

In my experience and observation, social capital is far more important to women than to men, and there’s no social lubricant / source of community like the church. One thing I give the Abrahamic religions credit for is providing community and refuge; however conditional and controlling it may be, it is still belonging.

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More important? Or could it be that so many women, especially in many religious communities, are too frequently disenfranchised by men (who seem freer to display more of their genuine selves) that they gather together for solace, acceptance, camaraderie, support, etc. because they cannot get that in the greater community?

I can personally see the temptation. I have recently moved to another apartment and despite apartment life literally meaning you live on top of one another it can be hard to get to know your neighbors, and even when you do they often move. There are several beautiful churches that are in easy walking distance from where I live now, as there also was at my last apartment. Any one of which I’m sure would be very welcoming. If I was willing to conform to their views I’d have a permanent place of fellowship and friendship. I’m sure I couldn’t pull it off though, their levels of willful ignorance, especially when it comes to gay people is something I find intolerable. I expect some people do just play along, for the sake of having that community. We are strange beings, and I don’t think it’s beyond us to even truly come to believe something just because it’s in our personal best interest to do so. Like Stockholm Syndrome where it’s in your best interest to adopt the beliefs of your captor.

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Yes that could well be and in fact I’m pretty sure that’s so. But my wife (for example) has never been part of a religious community, and so never thusly disenfranchised. She just is far more of a “connector” than I and frankly, than many other women. She values a decent network of friends, although, as she gets older, she’s scaling down and less active so can make do with a smaller nucleus of friends. She just does not like to gum up the works in her relationships with things like debating religion (or until recently, politics). For many people, it works for them to keep religious and often political beliefs private and find common ground apart from that. To this day, I’m not sure how I feel about that; there are pros and cons for society when we tap dance around such stuff 100% of the time, even with relatively close friends.

True even when you don’t rent. I live on a street of pretty Victorian-style houses with those big old fashioned front porches. One imagines sitting on the porch in the evening as your neighbors take their evening walks, and everyone smiles and nods at each other and occasionally you have an impromptu chat.

If neighborhoods were ever like that, it was probably in the 1950s and 60s and at the expense of inclusiveness.

In practice any porch furniture is just visual props that never get used, I don’t know 75% of my neighbors by name much less personally, in fact I seldom ever SEE them. And everyone is exhausted from work and if they are out it is to just walk the damned dog so they can get to bed or veg out in front of the TV to unwind. They are apt to be jacked into air pods if they are younger too, lost in their own bubble of gossip or podcasts or music or whatever.

Social connections don’t happen much in neighborhoods anymore, they happen at work, professional orgs, community groups like seniors have, and yes, churches.

I am an officer in our HOA (non-gated community of modest homes but we have to maintain our own street) and we can’t even get up a quorum of members to vote on anything. We run the place by fiat basically because no one cares to be involved. People get stuck on the board for a decade at a time because no one wants to replace them.

There’s one guy in the 'hood who invites everyone to an informal pot luck in our little playground area, including people both in and adjacent to our HOA, and that is the ONLY successful neighborhood glue that we have. There’s someone else who fantasizes about starting a book club within the HOA but there are already a half dozen of those in our city and anyone who is interested in that sort of thing already goes to one of them.

I don’t claim to have an answer. We have been liking the people we meet at a Tai Chi class, they are very low key and friendly and we have some contact with people without a lot of complexity or expectations. That is getting to be about our speed these days anyway. And it’s about as close as we’ve gotten to something somewhat religious in origin that we don’t really buy into but there’s a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

Some of the liberal Christians aren’t too bad, are not bigots, or homophobes or transphobes or whatever. But there’s still a lot of ritual or other cruft to put up with. Tai Chi is really just about gentle exercise and stretching in a disciplined way with group reinforcement, and you don’t have to listen to too much of their nattering about “ground force” and whatnot. You can get serious and go to week-long “intensives” but that vast majority don’t. You can come and go to different classes on different days and no one hassles you about it. So it works for us as an excuse to get out together a couple hours a week and stretch our old bones.

I hope you find the connections you need and want. It isn’t always easy.

there is an appeal to the story of a holy man born from a virgin who loves everyone despite who they are (at least that’s the popular notion)

what I ABSOLUTE DO NOT GET is why some women are drawn to Islam. A female friend of mine just converted to islam and her explaination was that she feels “accepted and protected” for some reason.

women, accept, protect in the same sentence as Islam? dang, did someone drug my food?

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Let’s face it, be it Islam or Christianity, it isn’t that only women are drawn. But I guess what this thread is getting at is why women at all – they are suppressed and controlled enough, you’d think.

My wife was good friends with a gal in high school who converted to the super-observant/conservative type of Judaism where the men have special ponytails and funny hats. I don’t know what this girl’s religious connections, if any, were prior to that. But she was from a chaotic, violent family background and what this strict form of religion gave her was coherence, stability, clarity, and most of all what she didn’t have as a child, structure. So when my wife shared an apartment with this girl, they had to have separate kitchen cupboards and my wife could not touch her dishes or utensils or prepare foods on the same counter tops or her friend would be rendered “unclean” and have to do some sort of purification ritual. Now THAT’S structure. Unambiguous, simple and clear. Obey and no one will beat you. It’s what this girl needed and wanted.

Fast forward to today. We’re friends with a Jewish couple. The man was born Irish Catholic and was beaten by his alcoholic wastrel of a father. So he converted to Judaism for similar reasons to this girl mentioned above – for the structure. It makes him feel safe and cosseted and protected and perhaps most importantly, like he unconditionally belongs. In his case it’s not the ultra-orthodox Judaism, it is just a “conservative” congregation but the principle still applies.

I would say that standard authoritarian Christianity or Islam would provide the same thing to certain women who aren’t born to it. Structure and clarity, made of simple rules. A self-imposed cage to avoid the big bad ol’ world as they have known it.

Sometimes even the strictures of religion can be an improvement of sorts on the chaos and violence of one’s origins.

Ditto. One exceptionally bizarre conversion was Sinead O’connor. She heroically called out the Catholic church for protecting pedophiles before very many others were willing to do so, then converted to a religion whose founder married a child. I can only chalk it up to her long standing struggle with mental illness.

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I literally take meds from a psychiatrist while my “mentally normal” peers convert to violent religions