We can’t demonstrate this obviously, so the question of what might result if we could seems moot to me. I disbelieve the claim, and all claims for supernatural or divine causation as they have never been supported by sufficient, or sufficiently objective evidence. As I said, we know people can lie, we know rape exists, and we know women and girls can have unwanted pregnancies, all of these are possible, I know of now evidence that demonstrates that any deity or anything supernatural is possible, hence the former are all more plausible than the latter.
Why would you trust the gospel myths at all, they are anonymous hearsay, written decades later, and beyond that they derive from an epoch of extreme ignorance, and superstition.
Two of the gospel myths give a lineage for Joseph and they differ wildly, both constructed to link Jesus to King David, so as to fulfil an earlier prophesy. Though why they use Joseph’s lineage is unclear, as in the biblical narrative Jesus was not biologically related to Joseph at all.
Please understand that I am actively using google ai and asking it remains unbiased while helping me provide evidence for my claim. I would appreciate that you read from these experts as they are providing information that answers your questions with evidence.
Why? I already know the gospel myths are anonymous hearsay, the earliest of which date to decades after the events they purport to describe. The names assigned the canonical gospels, were assigned arbitrarily over two centuries later.
What is it you imagine Google is going to add to those facts, and why would it be relevant to my question as to why you would trust any claims within the gospel myths, that could not be objectively or independently verified?
ML chatbots like Google “AI” regularly hallucinate and have been demonstrated to have biases, because they are trained on data that is already biased. Those summaries have to be vetted anyway, so I prefer to go to the actual non-AI search results and vet THOSE. FWIW.
Apart from all that, I have had the default ML chatbot results at the top of a search, completely misunderstand my search terms, Not often, but it happens.
Yup. Likely, more retconning of OT prophecies, as the Messiah was prophesied to come from the lineage of David, and they were trying to demonstrate that Joseph was in that lineage to that patrilinear culture – just another puzzle piece to fit. “Coincidence? I think not!!”
Another danger with relying on AI-generated text is when researching subjects you don’t know anything about, or where your knowledge is lacking. You will probably not be able to weed out misunderstandings or hallucinations for those. I have atttempted asking AIs for stuff at work. The responses have either been trivial, or the AI has hallucinated. So if I use an AI, it is strictly for shits and giggles.
Ah so in other words just don’t trust any information from any source that the ai provides and dive into the websites myself? Thats fair but now this conversation has given people an out to my claim of jesus being recognized as a real person and how no evidence to the contrary can be provided. You can probably tell what I’m setting up but just to clarity. If jesus was real so was his mother, therefore so was joseph unless these weren’t the names if his parents which could be possible. But scholars do find no evidence that jesus being real is a myth thats an issue.
As it is very improbable that the jesus of the gospels (semi divine, magical being) existed then the reality of parenthood stories is non starter.
In fact, the earliest “christians” (Followers of the Way, The Poor Men) did not believe that there was anything miraculous about jesus’ (Yeshua) birth and early life, he lived with his parents quite normally. They believed he was adopted by YHWH at age 30 or so, as an example of the “perfect jew”.
The nativity stories did not circulate until decades after the original tales of a inspiring preacher or preachers started to circulate and were added to appeal to the various non jewish (hellenistic, Syriac, Eastern, Roman) sensibilities of the time.
Either way your arguments have absolutely no merit as there is not one mention of the jesus figure contemporary to his alleged life. Not one.
So it appears that you want to play an imagination game, a “what if”? Is that your intent?
Remember that most serious historians (as opposed to theologians) admit there may have a been a very human jesus figure or figures that inspired the much later wild tales and exaggerations found in the gospels and other texts of the late 1st and second centuries.
there is all kinds of evidence for the cult of Jesus, just nothing contemporary to him. Not one word was written down about Jesus by anyone who met him (that we have anyway). The whole thing could have been started by one person’s (or small group) fevered dreams (not unlike what Muhammad or Joseph Smith did).
Yes and this is a pointless response as I’m not claiming a supernatural jesus in fact i think he was a normal dude… maybe even a magician who played simple tricks and fell for his ego ( a lot of people get into magic to feel that they can do things others can’t thus feeding their ego) this is why the occult view jesus as a luciferian above all because of the conflicting claims he presented. Doesn’t mean he’s magik or god.
My guess is a cult leader (Jesus) that supposedly couldn’t die, died. Then some hardcore cult members in their desperation decided that he didn’t die, and started writing accounts to match. Just that simple, imo.
The virgin birth story is utter nonsense if taken in the context of the bible.
If you look at it from the theory that a superior alien race (or a single being) created humanity, then the virgin birth could basically be a case of “god” (the alien) implanting an embryo inside a woman. Basically like a medical procedure of some sort.
