I’m not angry at any god. It’s impossible to be angry at something I don’t believe in. It’s like being angry at hobgoblins, unicorns, or cyclops. What can anger me is having theistic crap or religiously motivated antiscience shoved down my throat. My preferred method of countering such shit is to reply with science and evidence based arguments, but sometimes that just isn’t enough, or not appropriate. For such cases I reserve the right to reply by pushing any and all buttons I suspect can annoy superstitionists and ridicule their beliefs. Including, but not limited to, what religionists refer to as blasphemy – an imaginary offense committed against an imaginary entity. If you present ridiculous shit, be prepared to be ridiculed.
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Indeed, but the title of this post was ‘To the Creator of Earthquakes’, which suggests misotheism. If one is an atheist one doesnt believe in a ‘Creator’.
I am unable to see any angriness towards a god in the posting. Any angriness present is directed at human behaviour.
Edit: the title is surely meant rhetorically. Although I fail to see the connection between the title and the posting.
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I direct you to the post made by 21stcenturyIconoclas of Feb 10 as an example of misotheism, not atheism. I do agree though that other posts were directed at religion and belief, so perhaps we have reached a consensus?
Best wishes,
Padster
It just points out certain inconsistencies in the bible. God as the earthquaker and angry punisher in one part of the bible, the same god as the merciful and self-sacrificing god (a.k.a. Jesus) in another part. Where is the misotheism?
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Well if you cant see it, I guess its not there. Its just odd how angry atheists are getting over something they dont believe in. After all, as a theist I’m not posting quotes from Camus and Nietzsche and then knocking them down as the archetypal straw man. I suppose what I am saying is that I just dont understand it.
If you can see it, point at it and explain it.
You are confusing your god with what theists are spreading.
You lost me here. What has this to do with the fact that the bible itself points to your your own god as the creator of earthquakes?
I think you’re just frustrated. Frustrated that atheists dare to not share your belief in supernatural stuff.
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Here we go. Here it comes. The adjectives, the suppositions.
I couldnt care less what you dont believe in, but lets not pretend that your ‘atheism’ doesnt contain within it an anger at religion, those who adhere to it and at God as well. These are things you dont believe in, so it makes no sense to be angry at them.
Unless you DO believe in them, of course.
Best wishes,
Padster
You are quite confusing here. Firstly, you point to a title meant as a rhetorical device, having very little to do with the opening post, which points out inconsistencies in the bible.
Then you claim atheists are angry at an entity they don’t believe in. When pointed in the direction of any anger rather being directed at the behaviour of theists, you confusingly mention your own claimed restraint towards posting Nietzsche quotes, as if that’s relevant. What Nietsche did or did not is quite irrelevant here, as the topic here is what actually written in the bible about your god.
Further, you are being inconsistent by making characterizations of atheists (“angry at god”), while at the same time being offended by characterizations of your own behaviour. And you wonder why people find religious rhetoric frustrating?
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First, atheism doesn’t contain anger. It can’t. However, atheISTS can be, and often are, angry at many religions and many of the religious.
This anger is completely justified. I’m happy to provide examples of why if you would like.
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Your notion is ludicrous. If for no other reason than: atheists can be agnostic.
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Howdy. Welcome to the AR. Been reading a few of your posts. If you don’t mind my asking, are you seriously trying to say atheists are angry at your god?.. (bemused chuckle)… So, based on your own “reasonings”, would it be reasonable for us to conclude you harbor anger and resentment toward Zeus, Odin, Shiva, and all the other several thousand gods worshiped worldwide? After all, they ARE the competition of your god, and many of them have very similar attributes and temperments. Oh, and even worse, many of those other gods tend to be much nicer and more readonable, thereby making YOUR god look like a complete douche. (Although, in all fairness, your god really doesn’t need much help in that area. Your bible pretty much has that covered.) Anyway…
Along similar lines, I bet you stay pretty pissed at Santa every year when he doesn’t bring you the prize present you requested. And I cannot imagine your resentment toward the Easter Bunny when he stopped bringing you an Easter basket full of goodies once you got older. (Or have you sought professional therapy to help you get over it all?)
Thankfully for me, I do not believe in any of those entities. Therefore, the idea that I (or anybody else, for that matter) would hate or have any resentment toward those imaginary beings is just plain silly. Laughable, in fact. On the other hand, when the individuals/groups who DO believe in those entities attempt to force others to share those beliefs, those PEOPLE are most certainly worthy of criticism, anger, and resentment. Especially when they make open threats toward those of us who counter their chosen faith. Here is something I saw on another platform that I really like, and it seems fitting to share it here…
“If [the Christians] truly believe what they claim to believe, then they should not be concerned about what others believe, because they should trust their god to handle it.”
Best wishes.
Tinman.
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This is an atheist forum. Hatred/anger at God (known as misotheism) can only ever be the preserve of those who believe or are agnostic. It quite amazes me just how much misotheism is in evidence on forums that claim to be purely atheist concerns.
“On the subject of earthquakes and God, earthquakes are a natural feature of life on Earth, and while I have no expertise in geology I suspect they serve some sort of function akin to a safety valve perhaps?”
The title that started this thread was meant just to add just a satirical touch to a serious question about the behaviour of humans when they have organized themselves into a God–based religion. While I personally have not the slightest doubt what so ever that that God entity does not exist in the real world , that does not stop me and others sometimes cursing Nature and its laws momentarily; our ancestral animal brains cause this instant irrational thinking on hearing for example that that huge quake occurred when most victims were in bed and in the worst position to be able to rush out of their badly constructed buildings. As ought to be basically well known by everyone these days, the real creator of earth quakes is the sudden slippage of one tectonic plate under another plate in the subduction process going on in our planet.
I am interested to hear what on Earth actually makes you a convinced theist Padster.
If you could actually start an original post about it, I would liken it to chucking a bit of meat into a den of hungry lions !
Well for a start, I am NOT a Christian, so dont assume that because I am a theist I am one. Neither am I a Jew or Muslim. Or a Hindu. I do not subscribe to any of the world religions. They are all equally ridiculous as each other, with Christianity definitely residing at the top of the absurdity pyramid. But lets not change the subject here. My beliefs are irrelevant on this particular subject, so dont go answering questions with more questions, a la Jesus Christ.
I see that the accusations of childishness (being pissed at Santa, implying that I am not an adult) are thrown into the mix early on, which is par for the course. So too is the mocking tone, which is a shame, as I havent pushed my beliefs once in this thread and I had hoped for a more adult debate. You say you dont believe in any entities, but look at the reactionary language you’re using. Why do you get so upset by it? Like I said, I just dont understand it.
The stuff about Nietzsche and Camus was an example. And the Bible God ISNT my God, so stop making assumptions.
Athiests cannot be agnostic. Athiests categorically do not believe in God. Agnostics arent sure. There is a difference. It is YOUR notion that is ludicrous.
I am not here to push my beliefs. I am interested in a bit of fairness and balance, otherwise this forum is just a mutual backslapping society.
Best wishes,
Padster
Obh obh, oh dear.
A - theist is a disbelief or lack of belief in a god or gods. It can also be a disbelief in the claims that others make for a god or gods.
A - gnostic …is about GNOSIS or “knowledge” . Two entirely different meanings, and if you could possibly open a dictionary you would find those DIFFERENT definitions right there.
I won’t go further into this as I am glad I was the first one in to correct you. I can now make some popcorn while your ignorance of the words you use is exposed by professionals.
Fare well, young knight. I hope you know a good smithy.
(edit for Captain Cat fainting as he forgot to breathe, giggling is not his strong point)
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Agnostic:
‘A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known about the nature or existence of God’
Atheist
‘A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods’
Chalk and cheese, surely?
Best wishes,
Padster
Oh, here we go. I smell the amorphous imaginary “everything is god” argument coming up real soon. So you claim to know the existence of something but can’t actually articulate exactly what IT is. Rubbish.
So you are saying you will not debate on a debate forum? Then why are you even here? If you can’t stand up to questioning, you have no credibility. Everyone has every reason to not believe a single word you say then.
I’m glad you’re upfront about being disingenuous and dishonest.
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Debate!? Huh! thats a joke. Im still waiting for the debate to get going. All you’ve done is mutter nonsense about my beliefs, which I havent mentioned. You clearly havent been following this thread at all, since youve jumped in with both feet and assumed I was preaching about my beliefs. All your ilk can do is throw perceived ‘insults’ around like children in a creche, in the hopes perhaps that I’ll ‘bite’.
Best wishes,
Padster
What is there to follow? You want to claim a sky being, what is your qualification and logic behind why one exists?
No one is here to debate shadowy figures with bold claims and no honesty. I might as well debate a chat bot then. You’re just being a troll because you can’t handle being asked for what qualifies your beliefs.
So you have something to hide is what it says to me, or your belief isn’t that strong. So what is it then?
You still havent engaged with what I actually POSTED. I claimed NOTHING, at least concerning my beliefs which I DIDNT mention. Go back and read my post again, if you can be bothered.