The Truth: The Mathematical Proof of God, The Holy Trinity

This is a really good example of someone who is in deep denial. There are some religious people who have drank so deeply from the Kool aid pitcher that they are so blinded by it. Looks like this guy is one of those people. I’ve seen religious psychosis before, but not on this level.

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It remains that segment 1 of the proof remains undefeated and you are yet to make an attempt at disproving it.

​You refuse to accept it because you lack the proper critical thinking skill required. Here is how to think with critical skills with regards to this subject:

​Begin with the assumption that there is a God;
Proceed to accept the possibility that God has no interest in presenting an empirical evidence of His existence which is entirely within His prerogative.

Your failure to have this perspective is the reason you set out in search of an empirical evidence of His existence and turn a blind eye to all overly glaring proofs.

You forget your place in the grand scheme of things; but I will remind you.
He is God and you are a creature and He could do however He pleases.

Now to get back to our discussion; make an attempt at disproving the first segment of The Proof while making reference to it.

By fixing the cross into the time clock, I illustrated how

God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God

and The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit are not equal to zero.

Side Note: This Proof became empirical when the Cross was fixed into the time clock (The segment you are to critique).

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You have to be trolling.

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Why on earth would I do that?!

And, once again, what is your goal for posting here?

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You can’t disprove something that was never proven to exist to begin with. If your god was proven to exist, none of us would be having this conversation with you.

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I am a prescient genius, woohoo… :sunglasses: :innocent:

It is fallacious, as the first premise is a begging the question fallacy, and assumes your conclusion right from the start…

Well there you go, the theistic approach, start with a closed mind, and use a begging the question fallacy, and pretend this a logical proof…when it is irrational by definition.

Based on my understanding that it is a) irrational, and b) closed minded bias.

A repetition of your begging the question fallacy, to produce a circular reasoning fallacy. I shan’t even feign surprise that you have the hubris to pretend you know what a deity thinks, but can’t offer a shred of objective evidence that any deity exists or is even possible, again the hilarity is palpable.

You have presented no proof, only a fallacious / irrational argument.

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And entirely negate your thread, obviously, why would anyone need to prove that which they already assume? Circular reasoning fallacy etc etc etc… :rofl:

You are funny fair play…

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I somehow doubt that OP understands what a fallacy is, and why fallacies invalidate arguments. S/he also don’t seem to understand that when trying to prove or make claims about someting in the real world, empirical data is king. You can speculate, theorise, deduce, and simulate your arse off, but if you don’t have a firm anchoring in - or disagree with - empirical facts, your conclusions are worth shit :poop:.

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I agree, but I’d add that @kingiyk has no honest interest in learning why this is the case.

The problem is that like so many apologists, he has started with closed minded certainty, and believes therefore that he has no need for debate, reason, logic, or critical thinking, as his posts amply demonstrate.

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Yes, and christian apologists are not alone doing this. I’ve seen this with flat earthers, antivaxers, altmed fanboys, conspiracy theorists, etc. They are so cock sure of their own intellectual supremacy and interpretation of the world that the only things they will recognise as facts are what they pull out from their arses.

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The Objective of this Proof is to prove The One True God is The Triune God and it intends to do so by demonstrating how three members of The Trinity could be united as one God: The very nature of The Triune God by way of Mathematics and The Word of God.

The proof begins by showing how the digital root of any trinity of numbers is 3,6, or 9 and this sequence is eternal.
111 » 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
222 » 2 + 2 + 2 = 6
333 » 3 + 3 + 3 = 9

444 » 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
555 » 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 » 1 + 5 = 6
666 » 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9

The recurring sequence 3 6 9 is magnificent for its representation of The Truth: THE HOLY TRINITY !!!

3 + 3(6) + 3(9): 3 3 3

By a careful examination of the scriptures, particularly Romans 5:6 which states

“For when we were yet without strength, in due TIME Christ died for the ungodly”. The Cross was fixed into the time clock.

Further validations of The Cross being fixed into the time clock are provided by 2 verses in the scriptures:

1.) Romans 8:34; Which states; “Who then is the one who condemns? No one. CHRIST JESUS WHO DIED—more than that, who was raised to life—IS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD and is also interceding for us.” On the cross, we see God, The Son positioned at the right hand of God The Father.

2.) John 14:6: which states; “I am the way, The Truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” On the cross, it is impossible to get to The Father without going through The Son. If you come through the vertical beam, you must go through the Son, likewise if you come through the horizontal beam. The Son is the One and Only mediator to The Father.

(See proof for full illustration) >> https://trinitythetruth.github.io

When the Cross was fixed into the time clock, we see that it aligned with the trinity of numbers illustrated earlier: The coordinates were 3 6 9 and 12. This is in alignment with the trinity of numbers illustrated earlier.

The Triune God is an Ultimate Unit existing in eternity as Three distinct Entities in The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

When all three entities are united to become an ultimate unit by deriving the digital root of the sum and the digital root of the unifying Godhead\God is derived, the result is:

The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 3 + 6 + 9 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
God = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3

The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 9
God = 3

The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9

9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3 i.e. a single God existing as three identical entities: God, The Father, God, The Son, God, The Holy Spirit.

When all components of The Cross are united to become an ultimate unit by deriving the digital root of sum, the result is:

God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit

= 3 + 9 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3[God]

God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God

The Three members of The Trinity have been united as God.

The Objective of This Proof, which was to demonstrate the unification of the Three Members of The Trinity as a single God has been achieved.

Have you figured out yet that it’s not working?

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It is a proof with a stated premise and a conclusion. It will be disproved when a flaw is found.

All sorts of flaws have been pointed out. You, however, refuse to acknowledge them. I’m afraid that this behavior does not add credence to a flawed argument.

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One of the many things you don’t seem to understand is that this “proof” of yours (however internally consistent or non-consistent it might be) has nothing to do with the real world. You get your premises from the bible book, you get your mappings to numbers from the bible book, and you use arguments collected from the bible book. Besides, you have not shown that the entities you are “calculating” with (the different parts of the schizophrenic trinity) should follow any kind of arithmetic. In other words, your premises are severely lacking. Thus, your conclusion is b.s. and only applicable as christian style bible study circle jerks.

Next, as no connection with the real world has been established, your “proof” has no consequence for the actual existence of your god in the physical world. To establish this connection, you have to actually prove the existence of your god using good old fashioned empirical methods. And then you have to prove that the now empirically proven god is the same as the one in your bible book. And then you have to prove that the contents of the bible book is actually the words of your now empirically established god.

So there you have it. Your “proof” is nothing but a christian style circle jerk, and has nothing to do with the real world.

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To be absolutely fair, he doesn’t need to figure it out, others have explained his errors very carefully to him. He seems to want to roll past them, with handwaving.

No it isn’t, it assumed your argument’s conclusion (the existence of a deity) in your premise(s), this is a begging the question fallacy. No logical proof can be sound if it uses a known logical fallacy.

Nope, this one is called an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

“An argument from ignorance, also known as an appeal to ignorance, is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone claims something is true or false because there is no evidence to the contrary.”

Indeed they have, he seems to think he can just roll past his previous logical fallacies, and is now using new ones.

And those premises assumed his conclusion, so it was a begging the question fallacy, again he seems to think this error can simply be ignored.

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As it has been pointed out several times:

  1. Your argument is based on mere coincidences at best, the fact that some numbers appear several times in math doesn’t prove anything. There is no logical link between the calculations you have made and the existence of the Trinitarian God.
  2. Quoting the bible is completely useless both here and everywhere else, the bible is the claim and not the evidence; if the claim and the evidence are the same thing then we are in the case of a logical fallacy known as “circular reasoning”.

That’s not what your thread title says, it seems the goal posts are moving, and you are still presupposing that a deity exists at all, or is even possible, as you have failed to even try and demonstrate this.

Or a three headed unicorn, if one decides to use subjective bias and the hokum of numerology. Demonstrate something approaching objective evidence that any deity exists or is even possible, then you can go on to do the same for this trinity you keep assuming is true, without offering any evidentiary support, or sound argument.

if the Jesus character in the gospel myths existed, there is no reason to believe he was anything but human, a human with a pretty common name for that time and period, and who met a grisly but fairly common end at the hands of Roman executioners, for political crimes.

You are simply making unevidenced assumptions and arbitrarily assigning numbers to them, it’s unevidenced hokum.

As @CyberLN asked, what is it you hope to achieve here?

I don’t believe they exist, and you have failed to even try and demonstrate they do.

No it hasn’t, your numbers game is risible bias, and you are still assuming the conclusion of your argument in your premises, and this remains a begging the question fallacy, it is irrational by definition, and weak poor reasoning as a consequence.

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Also, there is no a priori reason to think these numbers or the digital root should at all apply to OP’s fantasy friends. Why the digital root? Why not some other mathematical property? Why any mathematical properties at all? And why nonsensically choose the modern English as the language of choice, rather than the original languages of Greek and Aramaic[1]? OP take these properties out of thin air, and pretends these are universally accepted. Without further explanation and more groundwork proving (or at least show probable cause) that these properties should appy at all, one might[2] think that OP pulls them out of thin air[3], just because he thinks it sounds sophisticated, and/or because it gives the desired effect.

The whole numerology endeavour OP has set out on (and indeed all the other numerology-based “god-proofs” I’ve seen) seem to be based on an extensive search using the limited mathematical tools they have at their disposal. They search, find an interesting property that they somehow – and with some effort – can relate to desired properties of their ghostly friend. And then they call it a proof. To their credit, they seem to acknowledge the power of mathematics as a tool. They might even be overdoing it, thinking that mathematics is some sort of magical tool they can apply to draw out magical properties and connections. Which begs the question whether they understand what they are doing or are just trying to use mathematical language as some sort of modern day preaching.

[1] I’ve seen other “god-proofs” that use Greek as it was written in the relevant 2K years ago time frame, so it’s not that the “god-proof” community (to the degree that they are a community) are not aware of this problem
[2] understatement
[3] “thin air” is not my first choice of words here, but I’ve decided to be polite

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