Reliability of the New Testament

[Sheldon]

@historianwriter

the Gospels, which are a core part if not the core part of the Bible. They relay not just the history of Jesus life, death and resurrection, but the whole message of salvation.

And they are unevidenced anonymous hearsay, written decades after the events they purport to describe. That ought to give one pause, unless one is more attached to the belief, than the truth.

@historianwriter

Jesus stated

You don’t know who said that, and repeating claims that have been demonstrated to be untrue in this way does not indicate an open mind, quite the opposite.

The rest is starting to look like you’re preaching, and this is a debate forum, so I’d politely suggest that if you wish to preach you find a suitable medium for that, as it is not allowed here. If however you want to debate, and by now you must have some idea of the kind of critical scrutiny your beliefs and claims will receive, then you need to address the facts and arguments presented honestly.

@Whitefire13

We’re pretty familiar with many “holy” (proclaimed sacred writings) from the Koran to the Book of Mormon; the Vedas to Torah - Do you view claimed sacred writings as the same equal evidence of your chosen book/s, the Gospels?

I understand that your deity of choice is Jesus. But others choose their deity with the same standard (a holy book).

Excellent point, and I mentioned earlier that he is setting a standard for credulity with the anonymous hearsay of the gospel myths, that he then ignores for other religions. Of course I got no response to that, and now he is simply parotting claims from the gospel myths, ignoring the evidence presented that they are anonymous hearsay.

@historianwriter

Sin itself distorts man’s conscience

Our conscience is subjective, and I don’t believe in your supernatural curse, unless you can demonstrate some objective evidence it is real? Also the creation myth in Genesis that claims humans were created in their current form is demonstrably erroneous, since it is an objective fact that all living things evolved over billions of years. I am telling you this to caution you, as if you cannot evidence the claims in the Genesis creation myth by quoting it, anymore than you can evidence the anonymous hearsay of the gospel myths by quoting them.

@Old_man_shouts_at_cl

If you honestly apply this rigor to your gospels you will come to a very different conclusion. You may still be a believer, but you will be honest in debate about your sources and their shortcomings. Try it.

I concur absolutely. Though I’d add that if one has to ignore facts to preserve a belief, and set a standard for credulity one would not use for other identical claims, then what does that say about that belief?

To @historianwriter I will ask again, can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity or anything supernatural, or that they are even possible? Now I can’t speak for anyone else of course, but quoting anonymous 2000 year old claims, is not objective evidence, since you’re setting the bar for credulity low enough to admit belief in countless religions and the deities they imagine is real.