Rationally irrefutable proof of God's existence

@boomer47 I like this video. If you boil it down to addressing “personal incredulity”, it really is “you are too stupid or lack the education to understand”.

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Yair.

Aka argument from incredulity, a form of argumentum ad Ignorantiam.

It is something that always makes me shake my head. I will never posture as a mathematician or physicist, even a half-baked scientist. Fundamentally I am a mechanic. But I have self-educated enough to comprehend evolution, possible origins of life, plate tectonics (that explain fish fossils in the Himalayas), and physics enough to accept almost all current scientific explanations as valid and more likely than an appeal to an invisible sky buddy.

With the internet that information is easily out there, easily found, and easily read. And yet, still, some people wander in here full of BS and obviously displaying an alarming lack of knowledge on what I consider fundamental levels.

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I have may times encountered people that proclaim loudly “I don’t understand X at all”, where X can be mathematics, physics, science, or whatever. It is fine to not understand certain fields of knowledge. Everyone have their fields of ignorance. But the problem comes when these people tout their ignorance loudly, being proud of it(*). I certainly do have my fields of ignorance, but I do not trot around proudly announcing e.g. that I am ignorant of the works of Shakespeare, that I don’t read poetry, and that I know nothing about certain sports. My own ignorance in these areas is not due to willful and proud ignorance, but because they are not within my fields of interest, and because I can’t find the time, energy or motivation to dive into them.

(*) Not to be confused with people that are genuinely stupid. Stupid, as in trying to (yes, I’ve actually witnessed this) forcibly stuff the plug of a TV antenna cable into the mains socket. And yet these people manage to breed.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kJqsbNegaGE

“God of the gaps” lol

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Some theists come in here, engage in a debate concerning the bible. It is pointed out to them the questionable history of the bible. I truly wonder how many of them followed-up by doing their own investigation on the history of the bible.

Exactly! That’s it! :rofl: That’s a very good illustration of the argument from personal incredulity :exploding_head:

Indeed.

In fact, it’s my understanding that the rate of breeding declines as IQ rises. The truly stupid breed like rabbits.

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Arguably true enough for the masses, but not for the top 3% to10% from whence new discoveries and innovations tend to come. I think it has been so from the Renaissance at least, possibly for millennia. By that I mean that stage where our species could afford an intellectual elite in sufficient numbers to make a radical, ongoing difference.

--------The middle classes make things work and the hoi poloi pay for it all by their labour and mindless consumerism. ***

In my opinion, the hyper consumerism of today began in the1960’s with the introduction of the two income family as closer to the norm in affluent societies… Reason; women enter the work force in vast numbers----single most important invention; the oral contractive pill, imo…

—and I haven’t even mentioned the industrial revolution and the beginning automation. .

I assume none of them followed up on anything. They’re so sure of their “religion” that it’d be a waste of time for them.

Pete, your post is plagiarized from the Discovery Institute.

Copying the work of crackpots, making you a crackpot; and a thief.

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Ah, the true signs of an indoctrinated robot. No ability to think for themselves or formulate their own opinion and analysis. As for me, I might not always use my own formulations, but when I do quote others, I link to sources. It’s the right/honest thing to do.

Welcome to Atheist Republic Pete. I sincerely hope you enjoy this forum.

For me, I hope you quickly edit out the plagiarized parts and replace it words and descriptions from you. Quickly.

Please expand. I am not versed in MIller’s book or the argument. I know that the Cambrian explosion was an era when when practically all major animal phyla started appearing in the fossil record, and that it was 13 to 25 millions years in duration.

And please, what is Darwinism? I know about evolution, but Darwinism? Not familiar with that.

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My guess is it’s akin to Satanism, only with a human God-denier.

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An advertising campaign by the city of Darwin to draw tourists? Marching bands and overhead nets to protect us from drop bears?

I don’t have first hand experience with the drop bears, so I don’t know what kind of defences are appropriate. But for deterring wildlife, I suggest bagpipes.

Didn’t the UN ban them as weapons of mass constipation?

Nah. Mass defecation.