After reading your posts, I found many comments on points but few addressing the very question I mentioned I would be focusing on first. Thus far, I have one affirmative to my question and the following no’s with counter arguments/reasons as to why we can’t use CCA to establish weight for truth claims:
THE YES
- It establishes weight but does not prove truth.
@David_Killens “Yes, it establishes weight. But it does not establish whether it is true.”
THE NO’S
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Because CCA do not contain proofs.
@Nyarlathotep “Because cumulative case arguments are not proofs? I assume we are talking about logic, not legal matters; right?” -
CCA isn’t the same as logic
@Nyarlathotep "But that isn’t logic at all. Logic is a very different animal. " -
Because CCA cannot determine (in most/some cases) the a truth claim.
@Whitefire13 “This method by no means gets you to “truth”. It can establish claims of innocence or guilt - legal terms, but cannot determine (in most or some cases) the truth of the event…“Guilty” proved innocent via DNA…[etc].” -
CCA is rather faulty in the court (implicit argument) it is therefore faulty always.
@Whitefire13 “Guilty” proved innocent via DNA…[etc]." -
Question with implication: no argument can have more weight than another.
@Nyarlathotep “Can one argument have more weight than other?”
Here’s my response:
To The YES
@David_Killens since you said “…it establishes weight. But it does not establish whether it is true…” would you say then that CCA is therefore unreliable? If so I can move you to the No’s side.
To the NO’s
OVERALL REBUTTAL:
FOR ALL OF THOSE ARGUING NO… YOU ARE USING MULTIPLE ARGUMENTS TO ESTABLISH THE WEIGHT OF YOUR CLAIM THAT CCA SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR TRUTH CLAIMS. ESSENTIALLY YOUR USING CCA (OR A VARIATION OF IT) TO ARGUE AGAINST CCA. THIS IS SELF REFUTATION. If CCA is untenable then why did you just use it? IF YOU DISAGREE PLEASE PROVE WHY YOUR CLAIM THAT CCA IS WRONG IS CORRECT.
MINOR REBUTTALS:
1) Because CCA do not contain proofs.
@Nyarlathotep "Because cumulative case arguments are not proofs? I assume we are talking about logic, not legal matters; right?"
I said establishing weight for truth claims. Also, are you saying that Courts are not founded upon nor heavily use Logic for their cases?
2) CCA isn’t the same as logic
@Nyarlathotep "But that isn’t logic at all. Logic is a very different animal. "
What is the difference between CCA and Logic. Please explain in such a way that proves that CCA isn’t logic nor can be compared to it.
3) Because CCA cannot determine (in most/some cases) the a truth claim.
@Whitefire13 "This method by no means gets you to “truth”. It can establish claims of innocence or guilt - legal terms, but cannot determine (in most or some cases) the truth of the event."
**4) CCA is rather faulty in the court (implicit argument) it is therefore faulty always. **
@Whitefire13 “Guilty” proved innocent via DNA…[etc]."
If its always faulty in court then you would say that you DO NOT SUPPORT our justice system correct and that most/ over 50% prisoners in jail right now are innocent?
4) Question with implication: no argument can have more weight than another.
@Nyarlathotep "Can one argument have more weight than other?"
Please offer proof that all arguments have the same weight. I’m seeing this as unfruitful as whatever you argue will have the same weight as my counter arguments according to your view and it will end up being self-refuting.
I’ll be back (probably in a week to see your posts and respond). But overall. I’m ruling the arguments given against CCA here as self refuting and there still hasn’t been a solid case against it. You awesome people have a Merry Christmas!