Judaism claims to disprove atheism

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The Flaw in Atheistic Morality: The atheist requires “Immaculate Mutation” because it replaces creation and provides a structure for the universe. However, this leads to an amoral code because evolution dictates the “Survival of the Brutal”. Atheists, imbued with a “post-Christian morality,” struggle to reconcile their desire for altruism, decency, and justice with the harsh amoral laws of Darwinian survival.

This again is bullshit and lies writ large. Since you’ve brought ethics into the equation, I’ll provide the requisite schooling. Viz:

First, there’s the matter that those of us who paid attention in classes devoted to ethics, learned a long time ago that this subject is far more subtle and complex than the fatuous caricature thereof that mythology fanboys embrace, namely “Magic Man says so”.

Which of course is recognised by those of us who paid attention in class, as not merely a caricature of genuine ethics, but a dangerous one, as anyone familiar with Susan B. Anthony’s famous and succinct critique thereof is well aware. In addition, a paper I present below, about differences between secular and religious societies, also has significant input at this juncture. But be patient, there’s a lot more ground to cover before I deliver this.

Second, those of us who paid attention in the requisite classes, learned some time ago of a simple and powerful test that can be performed, to determine the ethical status of an action, that is independent of any “authority” - namely, what benefit or harm is bestowed upon the recipients of the action in question. Being able to perform this test, courtesy of our ability to place ourselves mentally in the situation of others, doesn’t require a cosmic Big Brother, but empathy, a property that is actually to be found possessed by Eutherian mammals all the way down to rodents (about which I shall say more shortly).

Third, humans were constructing ethical and legal codes before the first Abrahamic religions and the associated mythology existed. Perhaps the canonical example is the Code of Urukagina, which was written 2,000 years before said mythology existed. It has the distinction of being the first ethical code to enact prohibitions against slavery and the exploitation of the poor by the rich. Which the Abrahamic Bronze Age mythology failed to do.

Fourth, speaking of said Bronze Age mythology, it not only condones slavery, but devotes fully 260 pages to the matter of exterminating entire indigenous peoples, so that the sociopathic authors thereof can pursue their Bronze Age version of Lebensraum. All of these instances of wanton butchery mentioned within said mythology, are asserted either to have been directly ordered by your cartoon magic man, or given silent assent thereby.

Among said tales of slaughter, is the particularly hideous instance covered in Numbers 31:18, in which said mythology declares it to be “moral”, for the raving hordes in question to kidnap underage girls as rape slaves, after butchering their parents and elder siblings.

The mythology that creationists slavishly devote themselves to, and whose assertions they treat uncritically and dangerously as fact, condones slavery, rape and genocide. The warped and fascistic view of human relations presented therein, provided the pretext for 1,500 years of doctrinally motivated torture and murder in Europe.

Indeed, the real central message emanating from said mythology, consists of “kill all who do not conform”. Instructive instances thereof can be found in Exodus 23:24, Deuteronomy 7:5, Deuteronomy 13: 6-10, Deuteronomy 13: 12-15,Deuteronomy 17:2-5, 2 Chronicles 15:13 , Jeremiah 12: 1-3, and Luke 19:27.

Fifth, the concepts of reciprocity and fairness are to be found distributed much more widely than the usual suspects imagine. Indeed, there now exists an abundant scientific literature, documenting in exquisite detail the evidence for the evolutionary and biological basis of:

[1] our capacity for ethical thought, and;

[2] the motivation to act thereupon.

Among the topics discussed in said literature, are:

[3] The evolution of brain development genes expressed in the ventromedial prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that has been known to be implicated in ethical decision making for over a century;

[4] Observed instances of ethical behaviour in non-human species, none of which know about our mythologies or invented cartoon magic men.

With respect to [4] above, I was recently introduced to peer reviewed scientific papers, documenting experimental determination of ethical behaviour in rats. Which have been shown in the laboratory, to reject behaviours that would inflict pain and suffering upon a fellow rat, even when a substantial reward for those behaviours is offered. Seems rats have a better ability to reject avarice than a good many human beings I can think of.

Oh, and the late Frans de Waal provided evidence not only in his numerous peer reviewed scientific papers for the above, but also presented this highly educational YouTube video, featuring the footage from his experiments with reciprocity and fairness in non-human species:

Morality without religion | Frans de Waal | TEDxPeachtree

Sixth, this peer reviewed academic paper:

Cross-National Correlations Of Quantifiable Societal Health With Popular Religiosity And Secularism In The Prosperous Democracies: A First Look

informs us that avowedly secular nations are far better places to live, than religion infected shit holes. The most secular nations covered in that paper, all have lower rates of homicide, juvenile crime, STDs and abortion than the USA.

From that paper:

[19] If the data showed that the U.S. enjoyed higher rates of societal health than the more secular, pro-evolution democracies, then the opinion that popular belief in a creator is strongly beneficial to national cultures would be supported. Although they are by no means utopias, the populations of secular democracies are clearly able to govern themselves and maintain societal cohesion.

Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the more secular, proevolution democracies have, for the first time in history, come closest to achieving practical ‘cultures of life’ that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex related dysfunction, and even abortion. The least theistic secular developed democracies such as Japan, France, and Scandinavia have been most successful in these regards. The non-religious, proevolution democracies contradict the dictum that a society cannot enjoy good conditions unless most citizens ardently believe in a moral creator. The widely held fear that a Godless citizenry must experience societal disaster is therefore refuted.

Contradicting these conclusions requires demonstrating a positive link between theism and societal conditions in the first world with a similarly large body of data - a doubtful possibility in view of the observable trends.

[20] The United States’ deep social problems are all the more disturbing because the nation enjoys exceptional per capita wealth among the major western nations (Barro and McCleary; Kasman; PEW; UN Development Programme, 2000, 2004). Spending on health care is much higher as a portion of the GDP and per capita, by a factor of a third to two or more, than in any other developed democracy (UN Development Programme, 2000, 2004).

The U.S. is therefore the least efficient western nation in terms of converting wealth into cultural and physical health. Understanding the reasons for this failure is urgent, and doing so requires considering the degree to which cause versus effect is responsible for the observed correlations between social conditions and religiosity versus secularism. It is therefore hoped that this initial look at a subject of pressing importance will inspire more extensive research on the subject.

Pressing questions include the reasons, whether theistic or non-theistic, that the exceptionally wealthy U.S. is so inefficient that it is experiencing a much higher degree of societal distress than are less religious, less wealthy prosperous democracies. Conversely, how do the latter achieve superior societal health while having little in the way of the religious values or institutions?

There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms (Aral and Holmes; Beeghley, Doyle, 2002). It is the responsibility of the research community to address controversial issues and provide the information that the citizens of democracies need to chart their future courses.

The idea that a cartoon magic man from a ridiculous Bronze Age mythology, is purportedly “necessary” in order for us to function as ethical beings, has been falsified by vast quantities of observational data.

Seventh, the idea that said imaginary cartoon magic man is purportedly “necessary” for successful ethical behaviour, is also falsified by the number of “pastors”, who featured in the news after being arrested for playing “Hide The Sausage” with 12 year old girls. The list thereof is growing DAILY.

Looks like someone needs to learn how to conduct research properly.