If he were real, the Christian religion would be much more potent on a global scale. He’d be making it obvious that he were real and causing mass destruction when people pissed him off. He’d be behaving like a Neo Nazi dictator as he did in the Christian Mythology.
I guess maybe I’m luckier than most who broke away from their religious brainwashing. Once I finally got through a 3-4 month period of angry “venting” at the frustration of having wasted most of my life being controlled by that debilitating dogma, I’m happy to say it has been smooth sailing ever since. Not to say my life has been totally without trials and tribulations this whole time, I just mean I have been able to think much more clearly and make much better decisions that helped me deal with those problems more efficiently and with far less stress. None of that “WWJD” crap scrambling my thoughts. Plus, I started treating people of different lifestyles and beliefs with considerably more respect and understanding. No more feeling so uncomfortable around them with that annoying god stuff scratching at the back of my head telling me, “You should not associate with these people.” To say the least, it has been incredibly “liberating” to be able to finally treat folks of “alternate” lifestyles with genuine kindness without feeling like I’ll go to hell for doing so.
Here’s another unexpected benefit I discovered: I spent most of my adult years totally avoiding anything having to do with religious matters as much as I possibly could. Because of all my doubts and questions, I always felt incredibly uncomfortable being near anything related to god, the bible, and church. And having discussions about religion in any context, practically made me break out in hives. Interestingly enough, after making my escape, I found out I am very much at ease now being around all different types of religious situations. Moreover, I thoroughly enjoy having religious discussions now. It’s actually like cheap entertainment for me at times. For a brief period of time a few years ago, I even had a couple of JW’s regularly visit me from the Fellowship Hall just a few minutes from my house. We had quite a few wonderful discussions, which most often left them scratching their heads and going back to seek counsel from their elders…. (*chuckle*)….. Ahhh, good times.
So, yeah, I’m happy to report life in general has been considerably more enjoyable ever since I broke away from the insidious hold of religious dogma.
Exactly. Like I am fond of saying sometimes: Hey, folks, if the bible god somehow IS real, then pretty much EVERYBODY is royally fucked. Even if you are the most faithful and loyal worshipper of such a god, you are still not safe. (Just ask Job.)
That’s wonderful. In my case, I’m an idealist at heart, and I think religion poured gasoline on that particular fire, so I was not only walking away from a support system and belief system but also something that affirmed my concept of “how things OUGHT to be” (mostly in the sense that if I was ‘good’ I would be rewarded / exempted from many of the vicissitudes of life, truthfully) and even promised me a way to somewhat “make it so”. It took me awhile to accept that there is no “ought” and I kept finding little dribs and drabs of that thinking which I’d have to occasionally peel off like a scab.
I have come to the conclusion that the “moral arc of the universe” does not actually “bend towards justice”. Rather, injustice in all its forms is what we get when we allow it, and justice is what we get only when we ceaselessly struggle for it. I guess I have finally embraced struggle as a normal part of life, lol.
Ultimately much of religious ideation is incredibly privileged.
…and for mathematics to be used for practical applications, we need what?
I could have my own “sweet visions” of what a real god would be like and they would probably match most of yours. I think a beneficent god would give us a future life where all the things we never got to do in this life we would get to do in the next, kind of like The Nexus in Star Trek Generations. But alas, that too would only be my own “sweet dream.” Unfortunately I think we live in a godless universe and have to create our own “sweet dreams” in this life…while we can.
Hitler was closer to being God’s “messiah” than Jesus was. He took the book of Leviticus too seriously and then some.
If God or gods are real, whatever He or they are like, we might not have any choice but to conform, accept, or be destroyed by this god.
They could be the all-loving superdaddy that everyone fantasizes about or they could be a total tyrant who burns gays and pre-marital sex for the mere sin of existing.
I used to question the contradictory nature of this fantasy called God but like all fantasies, a different version always exists in their heads. So instead of debating what would this god be like and how he should act, it’s much better to first prove that this god is real first.
Once there is concrete evidence of the God’s existence, which so far there is none, then we can worry about what He would be like and question how he judges things.
And if God is just, he would answer our questions DIRECTLY in a manner that is repeatable and empirical.
If God is a tyrant, you can either conform to his morality or be destroyed (or some other stick equivalent of the carrot).
But one thing is for sure, we have to prove this god is real first before worrying about what he is like and if it’s a He in the first place.
It would be hilarious if God turns out to be a black woman.
Exactly. For the typically posited all-powerful creator god, it is what it is, not what we’d wish or need it to be, so it’s just silly to say how some god or other doesn’t act right or check the right boxes.
In another reality where someone could actually substantiate their god claims, we would have to accept those claims and live with them, possibly in a way not unlike how we have to accept who and what our President currently is if we wish to continue living in this country.
