The Hafele–Keating experiment was a test of the theory of relativity. In October 1971, Joseph C. Hafele, a physicist, and Richard E. Keating, an astronomer, took four cesium-beam atomic clocks aboard commercial airliners. They flew twice around the world, first eastward, then westward, and compared the clocks against others that remained at the United States Naval Observatory. When reunited, the three sets of clocks were found to disagree with one another, and their differences were consistent with the predictions of special and general relativity.
Sincere congratulations Cal, you deserve the gold star and much more for this and your other commendable work which I have happily collected.
Plods back to the solitude of his cage… hops on his swing… *Sigh…penalised again for showing off…too cocky by half once more…mea culpa…I should have burned Ras when I dismantled his 2nd Argument. I sort suspected his ignorance of Relativity but thought it way too unreasonable to assume…anyway, he’s getting well and truly humbled for that now, someone’s gotta be up for a couple gold stars now…he catches his reflection in his vanity mirror…the pug can be a hard bitch, but you know she’s right…ya getting soft old parrot… but gold stars, he shrugs, have lost their allure…he swings a bit more and softly mumbling to nobody in particular, asks the time honoured question, “Whose a pretty boy then?”…
I AM! and I can get my own gold stars …flying ones worthy of a Cockatoo, woo!
No problem. All is forgiven. These things can happen in the haste of posting replies, especially when emotions are high, as Theist/Atheist debates can get.
I’m still trying to get my mind around all that, though. Does this mean that Einsteinian Physics applies to objects within the Natural Universe, but not to the Natural Universe as a whole?
I have read Einstein’s works, and many of Bohm’s and Feynman’s, and others. I’ve spent a long time studying physics (although all as a layman). History and linguistics are what I study more.
I have yet to find justification for saying that time itself is different given less gravity. Why, for example, can it not be that the machinery with which time is kept in satellites, far from Earth’s gravity, is not affected differently due to the different gravity, rather than proposing that time itself is different? The clocks are altered by gravity. Time isn’t literally different.
I believe this because of Ockham’s razor. Always follow the simplest explanation.
I am very willing to be wrong. But I have searched for a long time for any evidence that I am wrong. I haven’t found any. I would actually be GLAD to find it.
I have no problem with being wrong. When you study extensively, you just get used to regularly being wrong and having to correct your views.
I would gladly alter my definitions, and I said so at the very beginning. If you have a problem with my definition of universe, which was that having physicality or dimension, then we can talk it out.
My bad. Aristotle was the father of biology, and did write a taxonomy system off of which Linnaeus made improvements and the one we use lately. But the one Aristotle wrote was not the same one.
To be frank, however, you piss me off. I said one thing wrong, and thus I am ‘unable to state facts’? If I said the same to you, would you not be pissed? Have you ever been slightly wrong on something?
Geez, I was warned the atheist community was poisonous, but I figured it was probably composed of rational skeptics, who have my respect. There is no chivalry in these arguments, and that saddens me.
I don’t believe in the fourth dimension as having a reality in itself.
Nor do I believe in a literal first, second, or third dimension. those aren’t real self-existing things, they are tools we use to describe things mathematically.
Light acts as both a particle and a wave, and we know little about it.
Particles are physical, and have dimension… so I don’t see where this obliterates my definition. Light is physical.
I’m not ignorant of it. I have read Einstein’s Relativity and Special Relativity. I just don’t believe it. I think the experiments done to provide evidence for it have too many interpretations available to be able to say that Einstein was right. I am open to it, but I’ve not seen enough evidence to persuade me yet.
Do you believe in music?
Then you believe in things not seen.
Do you believe in Abraham Lincoln?
Then you believe in things not seen.
Do you believe in gravity?
Then you believe in things not seen.
I am a student of language, history, psychology, and philosophy. I follow the scientific method and the historical method. I was raised with parents who both had Master’s in history and one had a PhD, and was an archeologist.
I’m not anti-reason. I will try to counter whatever you throw at me with reason. However, I have limited time and a thousand people calling me ignorant and arrogant. I do this in leisure time. My arguments aren’t what I would publish in a book, they are what I think of while sipping my beer and eating crackers before I go to bed.
All of that could be interpreted as gravity affecting the clocks. For Ockham’s Razor, I do not believe because of that experiment time is therefore relative. I believe gravity has different affects on clocks when they are in different strengths of it.
Lol! I have no fucking clue what any of this has to do with anything…
I’m super smart ‘cause my mom and dad were… but if I come across as dumb it’s because…wahhh wahhh wahhh… oh anyone can self-publish - would anyone buy it?
As best I know the classic laws of physics function very well for the entire known universe. Nothing travels than the speed of light. But the distant galaxies we used to measure this speed are not travelling, they are within a bubble that is expanding.
A lot of this kind of stuff can be very hard to wrap your mind around. I am still grappling with some concepts with relativity. I had to read some astronomy and physics books, and I’m still attempting to come to grips with some concepts before my brain explodes.
Why can you not measure God? I believe you can, in a way. If you can believe Newton’s laws of Thermodynamics, that all things are caused, then it is just logic and deduction that leads you to God.
I’m just here for what I hoped would be conversation. If you’re bored, that’s fine. I thought this would be kind of fun, to have some intellectual sparring with fellow cosmologically minded people. Instead I have walked into a massive dogpile, lol.
I was called anti-reason and faith called irrational. I am defending the point that I respect reason. I am also willing to be wrong. I wish you would focus on my argument instead of insulting me.
