When did I ever say that? This putting words in folks’ mouths thing is a terrible habit.
Yet you do just that, you wrote this to me earlier:
This putting words in folks’ mouths thing is a terrible habit.
It seems you either don’t actually get the point or are ignoring the point.
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Your indolence in dealing with my presentation of relevant facts isn’t an objection. Get off your arse and do your fucking homework.
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By the way…I did not accuse you of saying something you did not say. That’s what you did to me. I showed what you said and suggested a way to better it.
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That’s a lie, I, and others, have taken enormous time and patience to explain each and every time why your arguments are irrational, and it is met with dogmatic hand waving, or this kind of straw man fallacy.
A lie, the bias has been demonstrated again and again to be yours. Just show a single objective difference between your imagined deity and any other unfalsifiable claim.
No, it is the absence or lack of belief in any deity or deities, and your concept of a deity is supported by only irrational arguments.
If the the deity imagined is offered as a false dichotomy, where someone posits a choice between either a natural explanation or god did it, then this is also an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. Using either one of those known logical fallacies, is by definition irrational. You have used both relentlessly.
I could care less what you care for, your claim was a demonstrable lie. I told you that if you lie I will point it out.
When it dents your fragile ego maybe, but you have used it relentlessly at others.
Seriously I could care less if you want to feign hurt pride and run away from facing or answering my posts, you came here, I didn’t seek you out, don’t lie and I won’t have to call you on lying.
Your posts have been relentlessly dishonest, and this faux indignation is merely more dishonest evasion, so you can avoid addressing posts exposing your arguments as irrational. Which part of public debate forum is too difficult for you to grasp?
Then it is perfect for your dishonest verbiage and your lie that your arguments for a deity are rational.
You lied, and all anyone need do is read your arguments to see this.
That’s your subjective opinion, and you’re wrong. endlessly making irrational arguments is not a logical inference.
God did it because you insist there is no alternative is risibly irrational.
Well that is always going to be the case when all you present is irrational unevidenced superstition.
No one has, this is another of your dishonest straw man fallacies.
So, all three of those things are untrue. Are you going to retract those false statements about me?
To infer would be to conclude something based on sound reasoning/evidence and logic instead of claims/explicit statements. You have not come anyplace close to making any kind of inference at all. You need evidence for that. Simply asserting the universe or consciousness is evidence is absolutely stupid.
Sure there are - Aliens, Naturally Occuring, Mind in a vat, Eternally recurring. Use your imagination. I have the exact same evidence for any ‘beyond reality’ claim that you have. Asserting that your ‘Woo Woo’ bullshit is the only logical ‘Woo Woo’ bullshit is just more ‘Woo Woo’ bullshit piled on top of ‘Woo Woo’ bullshit.
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@Cognostic … heh, I presented an exposition on the ramifications of braneworld cosmology for the whole “god business” a long time ago. But mythology fanboys aren’t capable of imagining ideas outside their mythology based bubble.
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How about ‘Plasma Cosmology’ I’ve read a few articles on the ‘electric universe.’ Every pet has his - or her - daydream.
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Given that is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, I see no rational explanation, all I see is a known fallacy in informal logic.
“This fallacy occurs when you argue that your conclusion must be true, because there is no evidence /alternative against it. This fallacy wrongly shifts the burden of proof away from the one making the claim.”
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Very well, if I have misunderstood or spoken out of turn, so be it - I retract them, the slate has been wiped.
Tell me how do you and I resolve the dilemma here? I regard my inference as rational based on sound reasoning justified by evidence yet you do not, how to resolve this, how to decide who is right?
Rather than the tired “I’m right, you’re wrong” back and forth, how can two minds - you and I - work together to establish if my inference is reasonable, rational or claptrap, can you tell me?
Aliens are ruled out by the premises so no, that’s not a rational possibility given the premises. So too is “naturally” occurring, recall one of the key problems is where did “naturalness” come from, how can IT be explained. You can’t explain the existence of natural laws by positing an explanation that presumes natural laws - that is a fallacy called “begging the question”.
If that’s how you actually reason then there’s nothing I can do to help you.
@Sherlock-Holmes, I think another retraction is in order.
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Very well, if I have misunderstood or spoken out of turn, so be it - I retract them, the slate has been wiped.
I regard my inference as rational based on sound reasoning justified by evidence, yet you do not, how to resolve this, how to decide who is right?
Herein lies the problem. No one gives a shit about your inference or what you regard as rational. Independent verification and validation of your claims is what is required to convince anyone of anything you say. You are woefully short of convincing anyone of anything by using your current tactics.
The minimum requirement is a comprehensive review, analysis, and testing, of your hypothesis performed by an objective third party to confirm (i.e., verify) (i.e., validate) that information (assertion in your case) correctly demonstrates a causal relationship between your assertions/conclusions and the facts. All you have presented so far is woo-woo BS.
We resolve the dilemma by holding you accountable for the comments you make. It’s really that simple. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
There is only one person trying to be ‘Right.’ How have you not noticed that? The only person trying to be right is YOU. No one else is concerned with being right. They are in fact showing you that you are WRONG.
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It has already been shown to be irrational claptrap. You just want to dig in your heels and stick with your fallacious ‘insert god here’ bullshit.
And yet they are more rational than a God. We know for a fact, intelligent life exists. We know for a fact, space travel is possible. What factual knowledge do we have of a magical, invisible, flying, noncorporal, timeless, spaceless, existent intelligent thing, beyond the known universe? (EDIT: And how in the fuck would we know it?)
No one asked for your help. I would be embarrassed. as hell to be the idiot in the room spouting the nonsense you seem to find so compelling. Hey - Tim Minchen wrote a beat poem for you. ‘Storm’
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Very well, in which case you and I might as well stop discussing it then, fine with me.
You could learn what a common logical fallacy is, recognise you have used them relentlessly in your posts. Or you could convince us all to abandon logic, and start regarding the word as rhetoric, as so many religious apologists seem to on here. I have to say, I can’t speak for anyone else of course, but I don’t see me accepting demonstrably irrational arguments, even if you keep falsely asserting they are rational.
That’s not what is happening, generally you are making poorly evidenced claims, and offering irrational arguments, and others are disbelieving them.
Where did your deity come from, odd how you think you cannot ignore this special pleading fallacy, but nonetheless there it is.
Where did your deity come from?
And around and around we go…
It would be if any atheists here had assumed that, but they have not, they’re just keeping an open mind, and are not prepared to rule anything out based on your biased claims, posited in order to insert a deity you neither evidence or explain.
I’m pretty sure he was being ironic, by parodying your reasoning, though your response is even more ironic of course.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Oh oh oh me me me, I know this one…NO he hasn’t noticed, what do I win?
One more hint then, you’re not discussing anything, you’re peddling your superstitious wares, to an audience that is able to submit your snake oil to proper critical scrutiny, and has found it wanting. What you need is a pulpit or a revival tent meeting, now there’s the kind of captive unquestioning audience you want.
Since this is a public debate forum, then others will comment on your posts as and when they are minded to. Though of course you are not obliged to post here, if rational and critical scrutiny is something you’d rather your subjective religious beliefs be spared. I am sure we’d all understand.
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Wait! WHAT? there are prizes??? I’ve been playing stupid games for decades and received NO PRIZES!!
(mumbling to self…same shit, different day)
Edit (bastards all)
NOTHING! this is all a ruse to keep you on that nauseating merry-go-round…
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