An atheist can only address this as a hypothetical, but a cursory read of bible or koran reveal a cruel sadistic genocidal egomaniacal deity, and much of the history of religions has been steeped in blood,
I can treat this hypothetical deity with utter contempt if I want, and since the biblical deity is immoral on an unimaginable scale, indifferent to suffering on occasion, manifestly cruel to the point of barbarity on others, were there any objective evidence such a deity existed I’d want nothing to do with it, luckily there is none.
The dearth of any objective evidence is more than sufficient reason to disbelieve in any deity. Since there is no objective evidence for a deity, nor even any rational argument, I remain dubious. I wouldn’t accept such a woeful standard for any other claims, and I have no rational reason to submit god claims to a different standard than any other claim. My expectations come from sound and unbiased reasoning.
Establish what? The argument is easy, requiring sufficient objective evidence to support claims is a standard I apply to all claims, thus it is unbiased, and the higher a standard for credulity one sets, the less likely one is to believe claims that are untrue, and I treat all claims the same, without favour or prejudice, which is the definition of open minded, I care more about whether claims and beliefs are true, than about how I feel about those beliefs and claims. Basically the very antithesis of religious faith.
I explained this in the post you responded to? HERE:
Establish the claim you made, that there’s a “dearth of any objective evidence” [for a deity].
You need to be able to prove that no thing is evidence for God, if you can prove it then share the proof, if you cannot prove it then it is just a belief.
You never held that belief when you were two years old for example, so at what point did you find yourself believing it? what was the impetus, reasoning that led to it?
I have never seen any, is it reasonable theists in decades of debates would keep it secret, you yourself have failed to offer any, indeed you seem unable to understand what it means, judging from your first response to my request, which was subjective belief about anecdotal claims.
No I don’t, this is the very definition of an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, you are also changing objective evidence to evidence, so a straw man claim as well.
A belief can also be a fact, and I need prove nothing, you have come here, I didn’t seek you out, you have made a claim, if you or any religious apologist knew of any objective evidence is it reasonable they would not have offered it, of course not.
Indeed, though I was of course an atheist, since the belief had not been presented to me. I remain an atheist because no objective evidence has been demonstrated. if you know of any I am wondering why you don’t present it?
Clearly at two years old I had no objective evidence for any deity, and in the 56 years since despite looking and asking no one has offered any. Maybe it is a secret locked in the vaults of the vatican, but I am dubious that if any theists had any they would not have offered it, and were it offered it would be unreasonable that apologetics still trot out the same subjective anecdotal claims and irrational arguments instead.
On what grounds should people accept your claim that there’s a “dearth of any objective evidence” [for a deity]. on your say so?
All claims about the natural world should be supported by evidence, to claim that no examples of X have the attribute Y (created by God) means you must be able to prove for every X that there is no attribute Y, you cannot do that obviously hence your ongoing procrastination and hand waving.
Your simply trying hard (and failing) to convince the unwary reader into thinking this is a rational claim when it is simply a personal belief.
Where did I ask anyone to accept it? If they know it exists then I encourage them to offer it, as i always do, since unlike you i am approaching these claims with an open mind, without bias or favour. Though obviously this is breathtaking hypocrisy coming from you, and your “many good reasons to believe the gospels are supernatural in origin” that you have refused to offer even one example of in 7 months of asking.
If you have or are aware of any objective evidence for any deity then demonstrate it, until any such evidence can be demonstrated then I remain dubious, as I would about any other claim.
Oh I think any objective observers will see that you are rehashing the same tired old argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy you started with. If you have any objective evidence, or are aware of any then demonstrate it, Not only that but when you first arrived and it was clear you had none, I asked you for your best reason to believe a deity exists outside of your imagination, and again you offered nothing but irrational and subjective claims and arguments. Unlike you I am not offering anything beyond an attempt to weigh arguments and claims for validity, you are the one peddling your favoured superstition, and you are the one who cam here to do it.
It’s an unsupported claim about the natural world - why are you pretending it isn’t? It’s clearly a belief YIU regard as true, well why? how did you reach the conclusion that there’s a dearth of evidence for God?
Nope, it’s supported by a rational argument, and at the very least this forum content on which not one shred of objective evidence has been offered. Again if you know of any at all present it, otherwise you’re just dishonestly trying to reverse the burden of proof with yet another argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. How does one prove the non-existence of evidence exactly, this is precisely the kind of preposterous and irrational nonsense that have been the hallmark of your apologetics.
Asked and answered several times. If i had encountered or was aware of any objective evidence i would not disbelieve there was any.
I didn’t, that’s not what I said. Here it is again then:
If you have any or are aware of any I will give it due diligence. I have already answered why I believe there is none, more than once, I can only suggest you go back and read more carefully. You are simply and dishonestly trying to create an unfalsifiable claim, then insisting I falsify it. The same tired old argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies you opened with.
I get my expectations for a god from the same place I get my expectations for people who say they love and care about humanity, I expect them to act like it.
That’s not what she said, you asked a rather stupid question, and she gave an honest answer, all morality is entirely subjective, so her expectations of the behaviour of others like everyone else’s come from her subjective expectations of what she thinks is moral. That the followers and believers of an imagined deity do not measure up to my own subjective moral standard is of no real significance, and hardly surprising, but that a concept of deity is being championed as the source of perfect morality, when it is also depicted as enthusiastically endorsing slavery, encouraging barbaric acts of ethnic cleansing, and sex trafficking the virginal prisoners as spoils, commits indiscriminate murder, up to and including genocide on a global scale, and much more depravity and barbarity too numerous to mention here, then I have every right to laugh down my sleeve at such a claim.
Though it is reasonable to point out when the behaviour of theists falls far short of some of the lofty goals they claim their religion demands.