The more I read, the angrier I became.
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Here is a page that caught my attention (format altered somewhat):
12/22/20 - Seven days later; Trump repeats the false claim to the public: (youtube video)
The lie/conspiracy theory made it all the way to the Atheist Republic on 1/17/21:
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Mr. Giuliani just recently admitted in a court filing that he lied about the 2 women from the video in Atlanta. At least according to:
NPR
Yahoo
CNN
The Washington Post
Politico
It seems Fox News hasnât gotten around to it talking about it yetâŚ
Will you be retracting your false statements posted the AR now that the originator of the statement has admitted in court it was a lie all along?
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Iâm still trying to find the story there, Here are some failed tries:
Shaye Moss
Giuliani Georgia
Giuliani lawsuit
Giuliani defamation
Giuliani
I guess they were too busy reporting on the 40th anniversary of the comedy film National Lampoonâs Vacation.
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Surely you are willing to retract at least this comment; you know where you accused Sheldon of cheating in the US elections?
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Trump indictment â live: Trump hit with 2020 election probe charges
*"Donald Trump was indicted on 1 August on four charges by a grand jury hearing evidence in special counsel Jack Smithâs investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. The indictment also described six unnamed co-conspirators.
In a brief statement, Mr Smith placed the blame for the violence squarely on Mr Trumpâs shoulders, saying the 6 January 2021 riot âwas fueled by liesâ."*
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"The special counsel investigating Donald Trumpâs efforts to overturn the 2020 election results has issued four charges against the US former president.
The 45-page indictment alleges Mr Trump orchestrated a broad conspiracy designed to keep him in power after he was defeated by President Joe Biden.
It accused him of knowingly spreading âpervasive and destabilising liesâ about election fraud that threatened the presidential election and therefore American democracy."
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Trump is accused of a wide-ranging conspiracy
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Trump allegedly had six co-conspirators
A conspiracy to defraud the US by using fraud and deceit to impair, obstruct and defeat how the government collects, counts and certifies the results of presidential elections
A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the certification of the electoral college results by Congress on 6 January
A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have oneâs vote counted, which comes under the conspiracy against rights statute
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ââPresidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.â
- U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, who has previously ruled (upheld by the Supreme Court) that the House Jan. 6 select committee could access reams of Trumpâs White House files.
Judge Chutkan will also now be presiding over Trumpâs current criminal case.
Jury threats and tampering will need to go into overdrive to make this one go away. Good luck, Don!
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It seems there might be evidence of election tampering after all, but by Trump. I wonder what it would take for his most ardent supporters to accept the facts, instead of the rhetoric?
For some, nothing will work.
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Just finished reading the second indictment. Would encourage all to read both from Jack Smith et al.
Although they are indictments and not trial results, the evidence put forth in both is compelling.
Unfortunately, itâs those who should read them who likely wonât. These are the same people who believe the lies and support the liars.
I find it fascinating that people can claim to be skeptic about one subject, say religion, using disparaging terms to describe adherents of those religions, but can be completely oblivious to skepticism in other areas, say politics. Compartmentalization at its finest.
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lol you just described how I feel about Theists and their religions. 
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Thaaaatâs what Iâm talking about, scepticism is no use if it involves bias, all that achieves is a closed mind. When we invest this level of closed minded bias in any belief, religion or politician or president or ideology of any kind, left or right, then facts cease to have any relevance to us.
There is a word for this kind of bias, and the word is delusion.
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We are not talking of folks with a lot of brain power here⌠Not generally, from what I have seen. Itâs much easier to shout âCONSPIRACYâ than it is to admit fault. Thatâs what I usually do.
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Well, theists believe that sentience is a universal property that ultimately gives rise to a higher form of consciousness known as âGod.â Atheists, on the other hand, reject this possibility. The evidence available can be interpreted to support both statements since measuring sentience is inherently challenging, and its connection to brain activity is more tenuous and subjective than many might acknowledge.
At this juncture, atheists are emotionally attached to their viewpoints just like followers of other beliefs. However, they often assert that their opinions are solely based on evidence. Nevertheless, their model of reality, which focuses exclusively on the material world, fails to explain the most apparent and fundamental aspect of human experience â consciousness itself. (see this link for clarification)
Materialism, like any form of extremism, asserts that everything can be reduced to a single principle, in this case, known as matter. This simplistic perspective reflects a lazy way of thinking that has influenced humanity for a significant period. Whether one is a religious extremist or a materialist extremist, the tendency to oversimplify reality can lead to superficial understanding. Embracing diverse viewpoints is essential for a more comprehensive understanding of various matters.
Who cares, some people believe the earth is flat, you get the same question they do, what objective evidence can you demonstrate for any deity or deities, or that a deity is even possible? Since we know by now the answer was none, you can believe the moon is made of cheese if it makes you happy, but why are you telling atheists?
Another vague and unevidenced straw man fallacy, you are relentlessly irrational fair play. Oh and that possibility doesnât need to be denied or rejected, I will simply ask you to demonstrate a shred of objective evidence to demonstrate it is possible, and withhold belief from your claim until you do.
Only you have made a claim, and you have presented no objective evidence at all to demonstrate this is possible.
Sigh, argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, again. It seems like so many apologists you mistakenly think repetition adds credence or rationality to demonstrably irrational and unevidenced claims.
Materialism is not atheism, and as you;ve been told I need not make a claim that only the material universe exists, in order to disbelieve your unevidenced supersious woo woo. What objective evidence can you demonstrate that something exists beyond the material, and outside of the human imagination, and how does this evidence any deity?
See itâs still only you who is making the claim, and who is lying by continuing to use a straw man fallacy in the pretence that anyone who disbelieves your unevidenced sipersition must be making a contrary claim.
Thatâs hilarious coming from someone who for months has been too lazy to go and learn about the multiple common logical fallacies you keep repeating ad nauseam.
You have not embraced diverse viewpoints, youâre simply tied doggedly to unevidenced superstition, and too emotionally invested in it to keep even the pretence of an open mind. Do you âembrace the viewpointâ of flat earthers, what exactly would that involve if not a critical examination of their claims? In which case how would that be any different to the way your unevidenced superstitious claims have been examined here?
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There is simple evidence; for example, in callosotomy, your brain is physically divided and completely disconnected, yet your consciousness remains undivided. Moreover, there is evidence concerning quantum phenomena in brain activity. So yes, there is evidence that clearly does not support a materialistic concept of consciousness.
Anyway, as you continue to engage in this dishonest game of dividing everything into parts and needlessly extending the points, instead of providing clear and direct answers, I will not respond unless you speak politely and offer well-articulated arguments.
Thank you.
This doesnât objectively evidence any deity or anything supernatural. And I have npt made any claims about a material universe, only asked you to evidence your claims, and as we can see it is simply another argumentum ad ignorantiam god of the gaps fallacy.
You must do as you are minded to, and I will post what when and how I please, so I suggest you get over it. Though I invite anyone to see who is being dishonest here, and the way you constantly evade and mispresent rational and cogent objections to your unevidenced supersious claims.
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Of course, do as you please, but I will not answer you until you express yourself politely and clearly.
Well, it essentially proves that the materialistic concept of what is natural is probably wrong. It opens the door to multiple possibilities that had been deemed absurd for a long time. Now we see that not only are they possible, but they have also been present in traditional cultures at a universal level all this time.
You must do as you are minded to, and I will post what when and how I please, so I suggest you get over it.
Materialism is not atheism, and vice versa, why this has to be explained to you over and over is unclear? Though we know the material universe exists as an objective fact, we have no objective evidence that any deity or anything supernatural exists, so vague claims based on straw man fallacies about atheism will go straight in the bin.
You have not objectively demonstrated that any deity or anything supernatural is possible. Beyond that making assertions based on your subjective interpretations does not demonstrate possibility, for that sufficient objective evidence would be required.
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