Atheism is not a belief, nor a philosophy, nor a world view

Of course they are not respected. Try posting some which are worthy of respect and respect will be accorded.

Fuck off troll.

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To be fair he set a high bar for that behaviour, right out of the gate.

Why are the really clever ones always so angry. :laughing::smirk:

Indeed you did, and a job well done. If nothing else it will give us dullards the chance to properly digest his genius, before he returns and has us on the ropes again.

I think you will find he has cloned under a new id and is amongst us.

I shan’t leap to questioning his integrity, but did he strike you as more of a listener, or a talker?

To be fair to him it’s probably easy to miss all sorts of things in debate, when he believes he already knows everything.

I don’t believe that.

Do you think we’ll fall for you rebranding the absence of belief as a negative belief in order to dishonestly misrepresent it as a belief?

No it isn’t, go read a dictionary.

No it doesn’t again a cursory glance at a dictionary should be sufficient to disavow you of this idiocy. Though an atheist may encompass such a belief of course.

Adherents, oh dear. Well oddly this doesn’t seem to have been my experience.

Indeed, but the belief would seem an erroneous one if we care what words actually mean, rather than an arbitrary meaning we decide we prefer.

I agree, though I tend to marvel that anyone can believe a claim is valid, while simultaneously claiming they cannot know anything about that claim. I have no problem with a rationale that disbelieves all unfalsifiable claims.

Atheism is not a belief, nor need it involve any.

That’s not true. Though an atheist may take that position.

Do you believe invisible mermaids exist? One assumes not, now what knowledge value is being held to attain that position of disbelief I wonder?

I have found this to be hilariously untrue. Indeed many who approach the idea of a deity seem to be quite proud of and revel in ignorance.

Sigh, atheism is not a belief, it is the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, look it up…

Oh I don’t know, though one tries not to generalise of course.

Er, you may want to look rational up as well.

Nope, and you even said above, correctly this once, that agnosticism is itself a belief.

Again I encourage you to consult a dictionary. You seem to be falling into the common trap of confusing atheism and atheist, they’re not the same.

Cognostic has a simple ven diagram somewhere that will help.

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The right to hold a view may be respected, but the view itself will have to earn respect. If your first post is a long winded affair, that seeks to contradict a simple word definition, like atheism, with a clear agenda, then your own stock is likely to take a hit here as well.

Try not to contradict dictionaries, pretend you know better than people you’ve just met, tell them they’re position, as if they don’t already know it or can’t understand a simple word definition, and you may find this forum quite edifying.

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I had much the same suspicion, but I’m not yet sure…my troll meter maybe out of calibration after the pasting it’s taken of late.

No. Atheism is a position, the response to the question, “is there a god?”

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Well of course, why would you want equivocation between the two?

Nothing in that contradicts my position as an atheist, in lacking belief in any deities or deity.

Not according to the dictionary…

Disbelief
noun

  1. inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real.

Not according to the dictionary.

Atheism
noun

  1. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Adherents of what? What beliefs?

Agnosticism
noun

  1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Just the one belief there? Who are you claiming is ignoring this?

Disbelief and atheism are not mutually exclusive, see the definitions above.

Do you mean any specific god? As that would by definition make them an atheist.

Again see the definition of atheism above, this claim is simply wrong.

An agnostic can still be an atheist, as atheism doesn’t involve a claim or belief about any deity, only the lack of theism. Agnosticism is an epistemological statement, theism is a belief which is like all beliefs the affirmation of a claim, atheism is the lack or absence of that belief.

As an atheist I address it by withholding belief in any deity or deities. I do this for all claims beliefs and asserti8ns that are unsupported by sufficient objective evidence, and this would be true of all unfalsifiable claims, which I would therefore disbelieve and remain agnostic.

Not according to the dictionary. Atheism is no more a belief than being amoral is having morals, or asymptomatic is showing symptoms.

Rational
adjective

  1. Based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

They don’t conflict…or do you generally believe unfalsifiable claims?

A bigger problem is that many of your observations directly contradict the dictionary, and seek to tell atheists what they think, and what they do, or do not believe.

They are not mutually exclusive, that is axiomatic, and again why would I believe a claim I admit I can know nothing about? We also seem to be ignoring the fact that whilst generic god claims are often unfalsifiable, but theistic claims are often falsifiable. I am not agnostic about young earth creationism for example, or Noah’s flood, or claims for resurrection, as these are demonstrably at odds with all the evidence.

Of course there are, just off the top of my head, n order for my rationale to be consistent, I’d have to believe all unfalsifiable claims, a rational and epistemological impossibility. Or cherry pick ones or even one that I wanted to believe, an obvious and ludicrously biased position, that would be closed minded by definition.

Agnosticism is itself a belief, but it’s not a position on theistic belief, just a belief that nothing is or can be known about any deity.

Utter nonsense, I can’t know that I’m not being shadowed by an invisible unicorn, but I can certainly disbelieve it. Thus I would both be an agnostic about the claim, and simultaneously disbelieve it.

Oh dear…

I disagree, as I have stated I am an agnostic about all unfalsifiable claims and I withhold belief from them all.

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As other pointed out, atheism is defined as the "lack of belief’, so how can it be the same as believing? Disbelief is the opposite of belief, no? Theists believe that God exists, while atheists disbelieve in God’s existence…or just a disbelief in God, in general. It’s not really that hard to understand, Quantum.

I am an agnostic, so for me, I have no idea whether or not God exists, but an open to the possibility that God either does exist or does or exist. I refuse to have a closed mind.

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@David_Killens And if God exists, what type of God would He/She/It be? To me, it does not matter, because believing in God does nor work for me at all, and I am better off without it.

For me, speculating on the qualities of a god is similar to those Big Bang Theory speculations where one protagonist argues that Spiderman could beat Batman because … yadda yadda yadda.

Until I become convinced of a god, then it is all fantasy speculation on an imaginaty sky friend. And for me, it is a complete waste of time. I have better things to do, more interesting speculations on what interests me.

For example, I am a rabid auto racing fan. I devote my energy in speculation on what type of car Nicki Thiim will be driving, and whether he will remain paired up with Marco Sorensen. For those who just read this, I expect complete indifference on this topic. And my indifference on speculating on a god is equal.

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@David_Killens I agree. And, as mentioned before, to me, it does not matter…because believing in God just does or work at all…period. Why would I believe in something, which caused me so much unnecessary agony and suffering over the years? Just the very thought of that makes me upset.

The Buddha warned against any idle metaphysical speculation, so your decision not to speculate on the nature and reality of God, is indeed a correct and wise decision. Let’s leave that to the theists.

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Wow, Shelley, you need a hobby mate. answering all this ? I tips me 'at to yer sir.

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Oh, I see the problem. See this is the Atheist Republic. If you are looking for people to respect your views; perhaps you should try Troll Republic.

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This dude is oblivious to the implications of his materialism, including his denial he has a mind. ROFL

Maybe you should stop telling other people what they believe. Just saying. :woman_shrugging:t6:

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@Nyarlathotep But…but…he is a theist! That’s his job! LMAO! :joy: :rofl: :joy: :rofl: :joy: :rofl: :joy: :rofl:

@Viceregent Define “materialism”. In order to have a discussion, we must make sure that we are clear as to what we are talking about, first.

@BigNeerav Unfortunately, our little friend has been sent to the time-out room for a year, and is unable to reply.

Hopefully he rehabilitates himself and dumps all of that anger, so that when and if he returns, we can hold a parade and engage in a less hostile and charged conversation.

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Reread this, and will correct my response.

Atheism CAN encompass a belief, just as atheism can encompass stamp collecting, but it need not encompass either.