Atheism and Abortion

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Oh gawd, that does it. I can’t take any more. We now have the theist trick of redefining words so as to fit their particular agenda of the day.

Is there a part of “dictionary definition” you don’t understand or are just saying something (like on the other thread) "to make it simpler?

Who do you think you are? Humpty Dumpty? “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought

It is a legal definition and a common Usage definition. The wording may vary slightly from jusrisdiction to jurisdiction but the term “human being” or an equivalent is universal.

No definition includes an intra species caveat apart from the Homo Sapiens that I can find.

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Good grief, Old Man. How long before you get it through your thick helmet that Drew don’t need no steeenking deeshoanairy deafeeneeshuns? Drew has “studies”. And the “study” about murder showed that fifty out of a hundred murderers felt discriminated against by the definition of murder, while the other fifty murderers claimed the first fifty murderers were just looking for a legal loophole to get off the hook. Therefore, the result of the “study” was inconclusive, thereby making all dictionary definitions of murder null and void.

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Fair enough, I will walk you through it. When a societal issue arises it can be classified as a symptom. There is cause and effect, the cause, the antecedent, which drives the result, the symptom.

For example, black on black crime. One does not just skim over the top, you must dig in deep and discover the true causes. The antecedents.

There is a lack of education and opportunities in many neighborhoods with a predominantly black population. Those unfortunates caught in such a situation feel they have to make money, and crime is a possibility. The more desperate one gets, the more appetizing crime becomes. Then you dig down another level and ask why are there such few opportunities and a lack of education? Then you dig down another level to learn why there is little funding for school districts in those neighborhoods.

I lay some of the blame on the news services, they spout out neat little stories that just skim over the surface, neat little sound bytes and make it short for an audience trained to have a short attention span. And unfortunately, too many people think that they appear worldly and smart when they spout out those cute little sound bytes, but have little understanding of the causes.

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I’m an atheist.

I’m not going around and saying “Ok Boomer” to you no matter how much I want to.

Huh?

Finally!

Ah, that makes more sense.

There’s also fatherlessness being a factor, but this makes much more sense. Thank you!

True.

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So, some of the antecedents may change, based on the study. For some, increased female education/female empowerment has been associated with increased levels of female violence (though it’s probably something IN the education system itself, not female education, that’s causing the problem), while for another female dominance was a strong association in all 3 forms of domestic violence (male, female, both), while male dominance was only associated with 1 form of domestic violence (male). For others, it may have to do with external or internal homophobia, biphobia, transphobia, etc. While other causes may be poverty, stress, etc. Lower male education has been associated with higher rates of male violence.

Are there any others you would like?

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Dear Drew, you wise and gifted sage, please enlighten we the inexperienced, simple-minded fools with your studious insights into the nature of killing and murder. We would be most grateful to hear your succinct extrapolations on the subject so that our feeble minds might some day grow toward your imperial level of knowledge.

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That is already a long list. So now one needs to dig down deep into each case and ask “what are the causes?”

For example you identified fatherlessness. How and why is that so? And when you identify the factors, then you must ask why are they so? It is a long and difficult journey, but if one truly desires to eliminate issues, then one must put in the homework and do a LOT of research. Yes, this is the stage when research papers become a valid tool.

Just marching and shouting and waving a banner that is “support male rights” is nice, but it is not truly solving any problems but just generating neat little sound bytes for the evening news.

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589

Atheists can be ignorant enough to use the very common theist tricks…like this one of deflection you have just demonstrated.

Atheists can also be honest to to admit they are wrong (in my experience more often than not) , unlike theists who will double down, ignore or strawman in an attempt to move on to the next topic. That is very much a high sign of a theist…

The very same behavioral traits exhibited by another class of intellectually stunted under-bridge dwellers who dislike being called out.

I am not going go round saying, “Uneducated child” to you, however much your Velcro fastened bootees would indicate I should.

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Until YOU provide an accepted definition for your usage of this word with its already accepted meaning, stomping your foot :foot: and insisting “no” has absolutely no meaning.

hmmm :thinking: now I’m starting to understand your political leaning

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FRANKLY; I could hear the slap of the face palm here all the way over here in Korea. I am surprised you missed it.

COOL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPjDBD6tsao

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Just in case you thought you were kidding… They are boiled here in Korea and turned into “Ko-yang-eep-tang.” A kind of soup that old people eat that is supposedly a cure for arthritis. \

" In Korea, cat meat was historically brewed into a tonic as a folk remedy for neuralgia and arthritis, not commonly as food. Modern consumption is seen and more likely to be in the form of cat soup , though the number of people who consume cat soup is considered minimal, compared to a relatively popular dog meat."

I’ve eaten dog, raccdon, rat, sea creatures that I can’t even name, rotten fish that tastes rotten, Insects of all kinds, silk worm larva, living octopus and squid, cow blood soup, pig and cow entrails, camel toes, bearded clams, beaver, snapper, yes and even littel baby cats…

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No, it means you’re misunderstanding what I’ve said.

I didn’t say it shouldn’t be classed as murder. In fact I quite specifically said that I consider it immoral.

You seem not to understand that illegal and immoral are not the same thing.

Murder is the unlawful killing of one human by another.

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There are two aspects of this that might cause some confusion. One is that the notion of what is moral and immoral is subjective as well as culture and context dependent. The other is that what is legal or illegal is not necessarily coupled with what a subset of the population consider moral/immoral actions. Sometimes immoral things are illegal, sometimes things considered immoral can be legal, and so on.

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Which ties in with the fact that morality is subjective. Otherwise we’d all agree, pass laws to stop all immorality, and that would be that…like the bible and the koran. :sunglasses::innocent:

Now, how’s that working out? :smirk:

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Ok Boomer.

(I say that because I do NOT care - I know what murder is, and scientists use it to define it to mean same-species killings, which is where I got said definition from.)

Which you think is? I can tell you, it’s all over the board.

That’s HORRIBLE.

And just plain DISGUSTING, too.

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You enjoy living without starvation. There are many communities where starvation is a very real thing, and the inhabitants must eat every part of an animal, every part, noting wasted or thrown out.

Have you ever seen any pictures of an oriental woman with no breasts and no ass? It is because she was born into, grew up, and lives on a subsistence diet. She does not enjoy the calories and fats you casually consume. She does not have enough food to grow an ass and tits.

You stick your nose up to these food groups because of a lack of empathy and understanding.

Cog can be funny.

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Ok, first off, I’m a vegetarian (as I’ve already established before, but we’ll skip that for now), and I also understand the problem of starvation…my own mother had to starve so me and my siblings didn’t as children, and I have gone without food a couple times (at least).

No, but that’s because I’ve never seen an oriental woman.

However, despite my diet over time, regardless of what I eat or not, I always have a goddamn ass and hour glass figure, and while I do enjoy my thighs, it’s annoying, even when I would starve myself some time ago to bring down the chest (which did not work as well as I planned it to, but it still goes down at least one cup, which is great). So, it’s possible that it may involve, I dunno, a COMBINATION of environment and genetics? That’s why not every obese person gets diabetes. It has to be unlocked under certain circumstances (specific genes inactive but still exist).

I understand that. That’s a part of the environment mixing in with genetics.

First off, vegetarian, second off, I HAVE had problems with being able to get food before.

Well, yes, but neither did I, and here I am.

You’re the one making assumptions, with your argument essentially built off the idea that I have always had a great opportunity for food, when that is a flat-out lie.

Also, I can think eating blood and entrails is gross. Sorry to break it to you, Chief.

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Careful again, child. Your naive ignorance is once more making an appearance…

One: You’ve NEVER SEEN an Oriental woman??? Uhhhhh… Riiiiiiight… Suuuuuure… I’m stupid enough to believe that. :roll_eyes: Aaaaanyway…

Two: So you are a vegetarian. Yahoo. Yippie. Great. More power to ya. However, you obviously missed the point of what both Dave and Cog were making. You have NO IDEA what REAL starvation is. Just because you may have gone without food “a couple of times” DOES NOT COUNT. You are a vegetarian because you have the LUXURY of being such. And it’s fine if you think eating blood and entrails is gross. However, if you were truly in a situation where minimum food was available, I GUARANTEE YOU that whole “vegetarian” and “gross” thinking will be tossed out the window. You will be digging for grub worms under a rotting log and feeling like a feasting king if you find a handful of them. Either that, or you die a very slow and agonizing death.

So, you might want to consider these things a bit before you just flippantly criticize the diets of other cultures. Many of them were born out of sheer necessity, even here in the U.S. (Good god almighty… And people wonder why most other countries think Americans are so damn arrogant and spoiled. :roll_eyes:)

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From my experience, it’s always a good idea to make sure those are properly cleaned before eating.

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Someone might learn from a little research on Cannibalism in the USA or at least a look at some of the shit the early settlers called ‘food.’

Opossum pie is not just a joke for late night TV.

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