Please be patient guys. The first steps may be unsteady and shaky, but we will make it a reality.
Common fallacies theists use?
History of the christian bible?
Iâd like to see a walk-through of the most common fallacies, with examples.
Why donât we start with
Why would a deity allow suffering?
Pretty basic - covers all deities (I think) - at least the major ones. It should have an argument from the various âfaithsâ - or basic message to start -
I can think of @boomer47 use of that saying (that isnât coming to mind, hahahah)
Yeah, I canât either. I have had a problem with evil and suffering since I was about 16. Never been solved by any religion.
Ah, do you mean my oft cited quote by Epicurus? :
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?â
YES!!! Thatâs the quote.
A comprehensive list of informal logical fallacies might be useful, with their definitions, and citations to explain that nothing can be asserted as rational if it uses or contains a known logical fallacy.
While weâre at it we could explain what rational means, as several theists have claimed to be making rational arguments, and I suspect they didnât know this meant they must adhere to the principles of logic.
HEY! Why NOT start with (umpteen) time an archived
WHAT IS AN ATHEIST? (Practice thread)
Shit there are more than enough arguments out there (in almost every thread) AND explanations⌠AND yes the idea of a
LOGICAL FALLACIES thread for archive! You the king on that
Oh goody goody, we can use the âhow many gumballs (odd or even) in the machineâ explanation.
And ânot a stamp collectorâ.
Personally - Iâm taking our long weekend off⌠well, except for chatting.
BUT I was thinking last night.
Our topics archives IMO should be atheist driven - fuck my stupid comment for a âdeity allow sufferingâ. - those arguments will most likely be covered âŚ
Perhaps even just a thread name
WHO IS AN ATHEIST?
LOGICAL FALLACIES
MORALITY
DEATH
MEANING
@Cognostic Correction to the last one: â4. The Bible and/or the Qurâan, as the unchanging word of God (Click Here)â Now, it sounds more accurate.
@David_Killens I thought you are an electrician. So when are you going to come over and wire my brand new, state-of-the-art, electric chair?
I can not, else I get flack from PETA. And FFS, that is not a chair.
Sounds pretty good. Just thought; do you think it would be worth keeping the language simple? I mention this because in my opinion, the standard of language here ranges from literate high school student of about 16, up to post graduate. (EG Call; is he still around? I miss him))
Up to a couple of days ago, I had never heard the word âochlocracyâ. I had to look it up. It means mob rule, but itâs a lovely word, Iâd be happy to use it. I usually refer to Joe Sixpack or âwe the peopleâ , but I think those expressions can be a bit obtuse. Ochlocracy is more precise I think, but how many people who come here would know what it means?
Iâd recommend a reading age of about 12. I mention this because itâs the reading age of an editorial of our local Murdoch rag.
Just saying.
Agreed.
The end goal of curated topics is to be a counter argument for theists.
Reading Age of 12 is the standard for maintenance manuals, safety journals and notices.
Yep, works here too.
Of course it is.
My office was in a poor area with about 25% functional illiteracy. We did a literacy test of our pamphlets, application forms and general letters. The level; undergraduate.
Did the Sheltered Workshop (aka State Headquarters) do anything about this? Of course they fucking well didnât .
But do anyone around here have a 12 year old to make sure it is at the appropriate level?
But yes, I agree. The language used should be easy to read, without difficult verbiage.
âŚand Bank Managers (had to simplify my memos to them -
âI was toldâŚâ)
BUT to be fair itâs not a reflection of intelligence (smart like an12 year old) ITS for comprehensive purposes.
When introducing or reading new ideas or counter information, the mind needs it to be âeasy to understandâ BECAUSE it is fighting itself.
WELL - letâs get this show on the road
For this practice, just post the argument found in this thread and we can move them (ones picked) to the archived/curative practise one.
Iâm going to start with what should be the easiest because we answer it almost every fucking dayâŚ
http://forum.atheistrepublic.com/t/who-is-an-atheist-practice/1846/5
No idea how it will appear to regular members⌠anyway - post responses here and weâll sort through this idea ⌠(herding cats )